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re: "The opioid crisis"
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:08 am to boxcar willie
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:08 am to boxcar willie
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boxcar willie
T's and Blues!!!! :)
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Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:08 am to Tiguar
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This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 11:25 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:08 am to Queen
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I had surgery a couple months ago and when I woke up they asked what my pain level was on a scale of 1-10. I told them a 6. They said "I don't believe you, it should hurt more." They gave me 20 oxycodone. I maybe took three.
Had an ingrown toenail cut out and the doctor gave me 20 lortabs. I took two.
The opioid crisis is a huge problem, but it's also a problem that people without legitimate pain problems are being given these amounts of painkillers. I didn't want that many. I consciously choose not to take them any longer than I absolutely needed to. In both of the above cases I was uncomfortable once I switched to Tylenol or Ibuprofen. But I didn't truly need the extra 18 pills or however many I wound up with. In the case of the surgery, I told them I wasn't in unbearable pain. They said I needed them anyway. Why?
Why, because they are delicious and awesome? Can you send me the 18 you have left? They for my uncle.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 9:09 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:08 am to SlowEasyConfident
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My doctor got me hooked just doesn't cut it
When in my 20s, I got hurt on the job pretty bad. Doctor prescribed 2 Lortab 10s every 4 hours. My first time taking prescription pain medicine. After I healed a few months later, I stopped taking the pills.....holy shite that withdrawal made me understand why some seek out street pills to make it stop.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 9:10 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:11 am to TBoy
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Where would you get the idea that Trump and Sessions could possibly have any constructive ideas or solutions?
Well, I was hopeful that all the focus paid to the OC was more than just lip service. Sadly, that presser wasn't even that. Just more of the same stale ideas.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:15 am to SlowEasyConfident
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My doctor got me hooked just doesn't cut it,
this proves your opinion on this matter is less than worthless
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:19 am to Lima Whiskey
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Drug addiction is usually a good measure of social misery. It's a symptom of dysfunction.
So the problem here is not the opioids, but what lead to it.
eh. most of these problems are biological
humans evolved to love/desire opioids. that's why they're so addictive and hard to combat long term
doctors over-prescribed opioids and it led to a flood of them into society and people got addicted. now that the government is restricting access to legal opioids, people are seeking out cheaper, abundant forms (heroin)
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:True, but I think the poster brings up a good point about the factors that contributed to this, specifically the government's policies that exacerbate it.
eh. most of these problems are biological
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:26 am to SlowEasyConfident
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My doctor got me hooked just doesn't cut it, be an adult. But I guess our government needs to spend hundreds of millions to help the junkys. Sigh
No, your doctor is the expert here. You don't know what the frick you are talking about at all when it comes to medication. It's like if your contractor builds a shitty house and then blames you for it in not knowing building regulations. There are people who take that medication as they were instructed to and get hooked on it. This should not be tolerated.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:27 am to SlowEasyConfident
This is a classic example of a problem that will take care of itself with inaction.
Not sure why so many are bound and determined to prove ole Charlie Darwin wrong.
Not sure why so many are bound and determined to prove ole Charlie Darwin wrong.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:27 am to Geauxin off
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holy shite that withdrawal made me understand why some seek out street pills to make it stop.
quote:Your username fits in well with your post as you got off the medicine.
Geauxin off
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:30 am to cave canem
quote:The problem is that there are already actions in place (i.e., government policies on drugs) that exacerbate the problem.
This is a classic example of a problem that will take care of itself with inaction.
Not sure why so many are bound and determined to prove ole Charlie Darwin wrong.
So I disagree about inaction when actions are already set forth that need reviewed and adjusted.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:31 am to buckeye_vol
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but I think the poster brings up a good point about the factors that contributed to this, specifically the government's policies that exacerbate it.
well he said
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a good measure of social misery. It's a symptom of dysfunction
that's not governmental policy
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:32 am to SlowEasyConfident
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The ignorant people are the ones who don't know the danger of taking prescription painkillers. There's a warning label for a reason
What the frick are you talking about? Unless you're a doctor or a pharmacist, you are ignorant when it comes to medication and dosage. You aren't supposed to be the expert. The doctor is.
I mean this is the excuse shitty contractors who frick over people use. "Oh, hey I asked if it was ok if I installed it in this way, but you should have known about Building Code 1324, and sorry that your house caught on fire, but I asked you about something you should have known about." Ridiculous.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:35 am to OMLandshark
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What the frick are you talking about? Unless you're a doctor or a pharmacist, you are ignorant when it comes to medication and dosage. You aren't supposed to be the expert. The doctor is.
I mean this is the excuse shitty contractors who frick over people use. "Oh, hey I asked if it was ok if I installed it in this way, but you should have known about Building Code 1324, and sorry that your house caught on fire, but I asked you about something you should have known about." Ridiculous.
Taking the word of anyone without knowing the consequences is foolish, this includes doctors.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:35 am to OMLandshark
quote:Not to mention, while painkillers have serious risks, they also have benefits and are necessary, and many take them without the adverse outcomes. So his argument is getting more ridiculous, but it's par for the course for the OP.
What the frick are you talking about? Unless you're a doctor or a pharmacist, you are ignorant when it comes to medication and dosage. You aren't supposed to be the expert. The doctor is.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:36 am to OMLandshark
yeah that argument is as stupid, for the same reasons, as the lawsuits going against manufacturers
there was a gatekeeper between the customer/addict and the government/producer: the doctors
if we cannot trust doctors to properly treat our health, then why are we assessing blame to the individuals? the doctors are the highly-trained experts who spent a decade in school + residency to develop this expertise. and on top of that, there is ANOTHER gatekeeper-expert (pharmacist) who spent 6+ years in school/training to become an expert in the area
within society we have to rely on our experts to perform their jobs. you can't expect non-experts to take on the role/responsibility
there was a gatekeeper between the customer/addict and the government/producer: the doctors
if we cannot trust doctors to properly treat our health, then why are we assessing blame to the individuals? the doctors are the highly-trained experts who spent a decade in school + residency to develop this expertise. and on top of that, there is ANOTHER gatekeeper-expert (pharmacist) who spent 6+ years in school/training to become an expert in the area
within society we have to rely on our experts to perform their jobs. you can't expect non-experts to take on the role/responsibility
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:37 am to cave canem
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Taking the word of anyone without knowing the consequences is foolish, this includes doctors.
well that's not an impossible standard
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Nope. Everybody should be able to write a literature review worthy of publication on the benefits and risks of every important decision from medication to investing.
well that's not an impossible standard
And in this case, it's not excuse that they are in excruciating pain, even if it is the result of a major accident and immediate surgery. They should be able to formulate an educated opinion while out cold during surgery.
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 9:42 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 9:39 am to cave canem
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Taking the word of anyone without knowing the consequences is foolish, this includes doctors.
You do it every fricking day. There are experts that you rely on for just about everything. I'm usually going to trust that a restaurant didn't poison my food and that the health inspector gave them a fair review.
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