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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:25 am to dr90210
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:25 am to dr90210
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I don't know WTF you're talking about,this is recent.Ukraine is a fractured nation. It has a huge amount of Russians who support Russia there
Exactly. Anyone saying otherwise is lying or severely manipulated. This breakdown is pretty close, and note, most of the population is in the east, where Putin’s focus is trying to root out Azov and their shite supporters. Azov aren’t good people
Again, evidence over feelings . This is all with any dissenting news sources being destroyed over the last 8 years and political opposition getting jailed. Ukrainians are getting a one sided story, much like the US
This post was edited on 4/10/22 at 10:14 am
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:27 am to Bunk Moreland
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Exactly. I knew nothing about any of this a few months ago. Jimmy Dore had Peter Lavelle on a few weeks before the conflict and it helped me understand. Yes, Lavelle is an RT guy. But, he was explaining why this was a reverse Cuban Missile Crisis. But, hey, if you try to figure out how we got here, you're a Kremlin agent.
It's fair to ask questions. I never knew Putin asked to join NATO in '99. The US was so warped by cold warrior mentality it shot the idea down.
Good politics is making enemies into friends and friends into allies. The US had the golden chance of all chances to bring its biggest rival into the fold, permanently, and it decided not to.
Asking questions, looking at history, etc, is not the same as pretending Russia is totally justified in attempting to take Kiev, toppled the democratically elected government, conquer a foreign country, etc.
There's plenty of criticism to go around. That said, I think Russia was totally wrong to invade Ukraine and I'm beyond thrilled to see them struggle to complete objectives.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:31 am to TBoy
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This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:31 am to RuLSU
^ Saw this on Twitter.
This is Russia talking about a successful missile strike, and the post was deleted shortly after the damage from the train station was known.
Taken from twitter, so take with a massive pile of salt.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:38 am to TBoy
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This effort to dominate and derail any discussion about the war and pump Russian propaganda is tiresome. This dude needs to be run
Propaganda from the US and Ukraine, in my estimation, is 10x worse. THE US clearly has an agenda. A perfect example is the pull back from Kiev. I read southfront to see what they see saying. It was the most level headed reporting I’ve seen. They cited logistical issues, dams s and nd bridges destroyed making it near impossible, the negotiations to pull back, and even some small supply issues. They noted some troops going east to help eliminate the troops grounded in civilian areas because it’s slowing Russia down. As always, the answer is somewhere in the middle and they seemed to have nailed it. I think the only reason they were in Kiev was to get to leadership and also to tie up troops as they wipe out Ukrainian in the east and south, the very areas where most Russian support is. That’s just common sense talking
This post was edited on 4/10/22 at 9:40 am
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:44 am to RuLSU
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This is Russia talking about a successful missile strike, and the post was deleted shortly after the damage from the train station was known.
They 100% did.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:46 am to TexasForever
FakeNewsForever is back
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:47 am to xxTIMMYxx
Demographics:
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Ethnic groups Ukrainian 77.8%, Russian 17.3%, Belarusian 0.6%, Moldovan 0.5%, Crimean Tatar 0.5%, Bulgarian 0.4%, Hungarian 0.3%, Romanian 0.3%, Polish 0.3%, Jewish 0.2%, other 1.8% (2001 est.)
Languages Ukrainian (official) 67.5%, Russian (regional language) 29.6%, other (includes small Crimean Tatar-, Moldovan/Romanian-, and Hungarian-speaking minorities) 2.9% (2001 est.)
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:49 am to TigerDoc
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Do you think this is Russia-pilling people? I think you're having more success teaching people about Russian disinfo here than my humble efforts ever have
It’s impossible to ferret out the truth by listening to one side of a propaganda war. I don’t know why I have to keep repeating this. It seems like common sense. Nobody gains anything by listening to just US sources, who have proven to push ridiculous lies, some so unbelievable that it’s laughable. Where are those transport planes carrying 300 Russian soldiers. The fact that they push these stories and continue non stop gaslighting should tell you something. As always, the answer is somewhere in between.
Have you at least come to terms with the fact that bad Ukrainian soldiers are killing their own civilians. Maybe by accident, maybe not. Shooting at people trying to escape the country has been a story reported hundreds of times by sources all over the world. Putting large weapons in peoples back yards has been reported hundreds of times. Shelling civilians too. Don’t give up your house for soldiers, you’re dead
This post was edited on 4/10/22 at 9:51 am
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:51 am to xxTIMMYxx
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Again, evidence over feelings
So you use the 2004 presidential election map? Why not go back to their independence vote?
Damn, the Pro-Russia areas love them some Zelensky apparently.
Here is one of those heavily Russian areas. Interesting how all 20 of the Russian supporters look like military-age males.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:55 am to doubleb
The voting maps prove everything
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:56 am to xxTIMMYxx
This has WEF written all over it
Posted on 4/10/22 at 9:56 am to xxTIMMYxx
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The voting maps prove everything
Like the US voting maps prove something.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 10:00 am to xxTIMMYxx
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It’s impossible to ferret out the truth by listening to one side of a propaganda war. I don’t know why I have to keep repeating this. It seems like common sense. Nobody gains anything by listening to just US sources, who have proven to push ridiculous lies, some so unbelievable that it’s laughable
So your solution is to also listen to Russian state media and propaganda which both push ridiculous lies?
Lol
Posted on 4/10/22 at 10:01 am to TexasForever
Yea, that’s why there have been wars in the east and south for 8 years. Those are facts. Ukraine is heavily fractured, east vs west. That corrupt a-hole in Zelensky had a 25% approval rating at one point. The Zelensky backed government wouldn’t be killing the shite out of the east if they supported him. They wouldn’t have begged Russia to intervene. Hell, Russia wouldn’t even be there. You are the worst gaslighter on this website. Try to exercise some common sense. That map, probably created by Zelensky, isn’t even remotely believable
Just saw that was 1991. Lol. Communism was still a thing then. Do you just scrounge the internet to support your points? I bet you only read books with pictures
Just saw that was 1991. Lol. Communism was still a thing then. Do you just scrounge the internet to support your points? I bet you only read books with pictures
This post was edited on 4/10/22 at 10:05 am
Posted on 4/10/22 at 10:07 am to doubleb
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So your solution is to also listen to Russian state media and propaganda which both push ridiculous lies?
Yes. And again, the biggest lies are coming from the Us, mainly because we are working around the clock to cover up our culpability. How many fricking ridiculous lies will it take for you to get it
Posted on 4/10/22 at 10:14 am to xxTIMMYxx
This fellow was posting false information and refusing to take it down (he ultimately did after being defiant for awhile). If you really want to clarify things, you have to have more respect for your fellow posters than that.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 10:15 am to xxTIMMYxx
Yeah taking Kiev wouldn’t have ended the war, y’all are idiots for believing that trick
Posted on 4/10/22 at 10:26 am to xxTIMMYxx
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Yes. And again, the biggest lies are coming from the Us, mainly because we are working around the clock to cover up our culpability. How many fricking ridiculous lies will it take for you to get it
I am not defending any of the media, it’s you trying to tell us that we can ascertain the truth by listening to Russian lies to offset the Western lies. You make no sense at all.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 10:31 am to xxTIMMYxx
Let’s not forget Zelensky jailed all opposition, shut down any newspapers, radio, and network news. Almost the same tactics as getting 81m by campaigning in a basement, while completely drugged up and having nurses around the clock changing diapers. We are all getting played and the WEF is running the show. They will continue to do so until they control everything.
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