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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

Posted on 3/20/22 at 1:37 pm to
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 1:37 pm to
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I’m not sure Russia can either.


My thinking is that Russia can afford to take this time of "Muddy Spring Ground Conditions" to build-up and augment all facets of their war effort in Ukraine. Mud doesn't affect railroads, and Russia's supply depots and strategic troop movements can still be on-going during the Rasputitsa along the railroad net.

All of this build-up could lay the foundation necessary for a really robust Summer Offensive to commence around the last week of June, when the ground will be very nicely dried up and off-road going for wheeled vehicles will be very nice.

But, what if you are right? My thinking might be a good plan, but, what if Russia simply does NOT possess the reserve materiel and monetary resources to actually generate an effective Summer Offensive? Yes, in that case, you'll be correct, because, in that case, Russia might not be able to win, either.

In that case, Russia might simply opt to just Terrorize the Ukrainian people into submission by using dumb bombs and shells to just destroy and level anything in range. Incidentally, the Allied Strategic Bombing Campaign during WW2, particularly the UK's Bomber Command strategy, was to do just that - Terrorize the German people into submission.

And what about the USA's strategic bombing strategy against Japan during WW2 - could it be argued that THIS strategy had, at least in part, the objective of Terrorizing the Japanese people into submission?

My point is this: Russia would not be the first country in history to use Terror Bombing as a strategy of war.
This post was edited on 3/20/22 at 1:42 pm
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 1:44 pm to
Twitter thread

Above link has videos with subtitles of Mariupol residents that escaped and making claims that Azov would not let them leave and were using them as human shields. They also make claims that they murdered civilians for trying to leave.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 1:54 pm to
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In that case, Russia might simply opt to just Terrorize the Ukrainian people into submission by using dumb bombs and shells to just destroy and level anything in range.


I don’t think that would work. Terror bombings have the opposite effect.

I also see no sign the Russians are trying that.


There was a report the yesterday, that the Russians are now focusing on the destruction of the UA, which would win the war.

The Russians have two specific advantages there, artillery, and air power.

As much as we read about the Russian supply issues, the Russians can make it very difficult to keep the UA supplied and fighting, by bombing depots, and interdicting supply lines.

The UA are also retreating in the east, which exposes them to artillery and air attack.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 2:04 pm to
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The Russians have two specific advantages there, artillery, and air power.


Both of these assets require immense levels of logistical support and all logistical support operations will become more easy once the Summer dry months begin in Ukraine.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 2:59 pm to
Weird the OT is celebrating Azov as heroes
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 3:41 pm to
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Weird the OT is celebrating Azov as heroes




They celebrating Z shutting down political parties and the media as well?
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 3:44 pm to
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Both of these assets require immense levels of logistical support and all logistical support operations will become more easy once the Summer dry months begin in Ukraine.


Air assets are mostly, if not 100%, operating out of Russia and Belarus where Ukraine can't hinder their supply I'd guess.
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 3:45 pm to
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They also make claims that they murdered civilians for trying to leave.




Well, they are Nazis, so....


*The hardcore parts of the German military did the same in WWII.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:13 pm to
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Russians With Attitude
@RWApodcast

Summary of latest MOD statement


Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:14 pm to
Anyone have the latest numbers & updates from Ukraine?
Posted by Tigers2010a
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:18 pm to
I am really surprised the Russians are willing to let the Azov battalion evacuate.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:24 pm to
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I am really surprised the Russians are willing to let the Azov battalion evacuate.




I doubt they will.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:35 pm to
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Levi
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At Ukraine 24, the head of the military medical service talks about the fact that the order was given to castrate wounded Russian soldiers, because they are “cockroaches, not people”

All of this live on YouTube


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Russians With Attitude
@RWApodcast

what the frick he actually said this
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Guy who said this is Gennady Druzenko, a lawyer, Maidan activist, veteran of the War in Donbass and current head of the "Mobile Hospital" project.



Twitter video



Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:37 pm to
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At Ukraine 24, the head of the military medical service talks about the fact that the order was given to castrate wounded Russian soldiers,


Sounds rather like a Nazi.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:39 pm to
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Sounds rather like a Nazi.




Would the international community care if this was really taking place?
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:54 pm to
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Would the international community care if this was really taking place?


Did they say anything about Stalin's troops raping and murdering their way across Eastern Europe?
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:54 pm to


Weasel
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:55 pm to
Well, Kinzinger is out of congress at the end of this term so he won't have anything to say about it.
Posted by jatilen
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:56 pm to
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Posted by Tigers2010a
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 6:58 pm to
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At Ukraine 24, the head of the military medical service talks about the fact that the order was given to castrate wounded Russian soldiers, because they are “cockroaches, not people”


I think giving and carrying out this order would fall within the war crime category.
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