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re: The "Morality" of not voting for Moore. The turth of the results
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:42 am to rumproast
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:42 am to rumproast
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You want people to let men in the girls bathroom?
This is an argument for another time.
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You want a devout religious guy to be forced to bake you a cake....frick off.
Ok, so I'm going to hang a sign in my cake shop, that says I will not serve Baptists, or Catholics, or Jews. Lets see the fall out from that. Only transgender, gay, atheists welcome. People screaming about religious persecution would be shouting from the rafters.
I personally believe in "live and let live". No matter if I agree with you or not, I believe its your right to follow your own path to happiness. I have no right to judge you, and shouldn't ask the government for a law that gives me the right to discriminate against you.
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:42 am to NC_Tigah
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Roy Moore was Todd Akin in a cowboy hat. He was a terrible candidate.
Maybe so. That does not change the fact that bama had a choice between 2 people.
Both told you how they would vote.
You chose a outspoken socialist
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:44 am to Jjdoc
Maybe the good people of the Alabama Republican Party shouldn't have put forth such a terrible candidate. Honestly, the Republican Party has no one to blame but itself.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:44 am to Revelator
quote:why does abortion continue to occupy so much space in the conservative mind when it comes to elections. It is not an issue that decides many votes.
but embrace a candidate that openly embraces and supports such a moral evil as abortion
It is the law of the land, it will not change. Republicans have complete control over the federal govt and cant fix things that are broken and not even controversial. Do you really think they can reverse anything to do with abortion?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:47 am to rumproast
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There has to be SOME law and order when it comes to protecting human life...otherwise you have chaos and anarchy. People shouldn't be able to kill innocent people. Period.
We do have that law and order, and thankfully, they don't include you or the government forcing women to carry fetuses to term against their will.
I don't mind you defending your position. But don't defend it with bullshite. Just state that you don't like the current state of the law, and you value the life of the child over the liberty of the woman.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:49 am to magildachunks
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you are ok with voting for David Duke vs a democrat because he has an R next to his name?
What a dumb argument. Duke tells you out right who he is and what he stands for. There is no accusations. Moore had accusations... he denied them.
2 entirely different things.
Sorry you cant handle the truth. 2 choices last night. Bama chose a socialist.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:50 am to tigerfoot
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why does abortion continue to occupy so much space in the conservative mind when it comes to elections.
It's a consistent, defensible position that guarantees some hard core support. I think it is an anti-liberty position but it is defensible.
It has the secondary benefit of keeping the feminists on the other side. Republicans are scared of the hairy legged feminists.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:51 am to Jjdoc
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Sorry you cant handle the truth. 2 choices last night. Bama chose a socialist.
And not a racist, homophobic pedo.
Jesus allows it.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:52 am to lsufan31
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it is called the "freedom of religion act", right? Having a relationship recognized as legal, doesn't do a thing to anyone else's moral compass
The FORA does not end gay marriage. It would allow an individual business (baker, photographer) to not work a gay wedding and presumably allow churches to be able to refuse to hold ceremonies in their church. So yes forcing a baker to bake a cake for a gay wedding is enforcing a morality on others.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:53 am to Byron Bojangles III
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you're saying it's ok to elect a pedophile so we don't lose our country?
Stop being ignorant. Learn the meaning of pedophile. Then study the history of the lbgtq movement.
Second... an accusation is not guilt.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:53 am to Loserman
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If we can agree on all the other cases beside rape then we can talk about those two cases.
But your side of the argument uses those cases to justify all the others.
Before anything else, I'd like to say thank you for a thought out and civilized response. It's refreshing in today's political climate.
But my original reply wasn't meant to justify anything. It simple rebuffs the point that in all situations a woman's choices were what got her pregnant. All the facts and figures you state, while useful and informative, don't change that fact either. I was simply trying to pin you down on an extreme and admittedly uncommon scenario.
One tactic I find useful as a scientist when discussing debating topics and/or in negotiations, is taking someones point to the logical extreme. If I can get someone to say, "Ok in this case I'd do something different" then we can start having a constructive discussion. You comment on Plan B is "proof" of that. It's a good solution and place where we can start a logical reasonable discussion of the topic. I think the next point that I would go with the discussion is what about those that are not able to take Plan B? Kids under 17 years old for example.
I feel for full disclosure, that I must state at this point, that I personally don't agree with abortion and don't think it's a choice that I could ever make. In fact, when we were pregnant some of the routine indicators came up high for Down's syndrome. We had a long discussion with our doctor about amniocentesis. Long story short, we decided against it. Why? Because we were older parents and this might be our one and only shot at it. Plus, we didn't want to risk losing the baby doing that procedure (1-2% chance of loss of pregnancy). Ultimately, it wasn't going to change our course of action (we were keeping the baby regardless), it was just going to change when we found out (birth vs a few months earlier).
But it's also the law of the land which was decided long ago. As I also stated before, who am I to judge others for their choices?
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 10:02 am
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:54 am to lsufan31
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Ok, so I'm going to hang a sign in my cake shop, that says I will not serve Baptists, or Catholics, or Jews. Lets see the fall out from that. Only transgender, gay, atheists welcome. People screaming about religious persecution would be shouting from the rafters. I personally believe in "live and let live". No matter if I agree with you or not, I believe its your right to follow your own path to happiness. I have no right to judge you, and shouldn't ask the government for a law that gives me the right to discriminate against you.
Wrong analogy.
The sign would have to read thusly...
I will serve everyone with my basic services.
I will not do custom design orders for (insert groups that offend your sensibilities/beliefs) because of my own freedom of religious expression.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:55 am to oman
I am conservative, and I dont like the idea of any woman just deciding to abort a baby without a medical rationale.
I dont consider anyones position on abortion when I go to the voting booth. I just dont see it changing, just like I dont think they are coming for our guns. Why so many candidates run on these things is beyond me. We have dozens of other things that could actually be changed that are never mentioned. Trump actually hit on that in his victory.
I dont consider anyones position on abortion when I go to the voting booth. I just dont see it changing, just like I dont think they are coming for our guns. Why so many candidates run on these things is beyond me. We have dozens of other things that could actually be changed that are never mentioned. Trump actually hit on that in his victory.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:56 am to chalmetteowl
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5 people downvoted this
Maybe because the opinion espoused is abhorrent and should have no place in a civilized society.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:56 am to H-Town Tiger
Asking the government for a law that allows you to discriminate against people, for whatever they do in their private life......That's legislating morality. Because if people are allowed to discriminate by citing religious freedom, what says it stops at discrimination of gays?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:59 am to Jjdoc
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Second... an accusation is not guilt.
And an election isn't a trial.
Alabamians weren't voting on innocence or guilt.
They were voting on the kind of man they wanted as their Senator.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:59 am to BigJake
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For all of Moore’s faults his perception as a pedophile did him in. As a father of a daughter I could never have pulled the lever for him. Shane on anyone who could or did.
So you become part of the problem.
Welcome to the world of "kill your opponent with an accusation"
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:01 am to tigerfoot
THIS IS THE POST OF THE YEAR! Pay attention Republicans quit basing your campaign on abortion and guns. Republican's have an issue now that Obama is not in office. They have to come up with a new campaign idea besides Obama Obama Obama.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:02 am to Aubie Spr96
Has nothing to do with 3rd party voters.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:02 am to Jjdoc
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So you become part of the problem.
The problem of discrimination against pedophiles?
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