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re: The "Morality" of not voting for Moore. The turth of the results
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:50 am to JCdawg
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:50 am to JCdawg
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The abortion issue was settled 30 years ago
No it wasn't. Why? Because now we sell the body parts and tax payer funding for..etc..
Where is the cut off point in the cycle of the pregnancy?
Those issues have not been settled.
Just like the LBGTQ movement. It was settled right? Just let us marry. Now we are preaching kids in school should be allowed to experiment and or identify in any way they feel at the moment.
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:52 am to Jjdoc
quote:I disagree. The man in the Whitehouse is the most flawed candidate ever run, and was supported by conservatives. Why? He talked about real issues. Real issues talked about in a bad way, with no real solutions at least garner some attention.
If the candidate had 1 "moral" imperfection.... the conservatives stayed home to send a message.
If Trump had run on God, abortion and guns he would not have won. He ran on security, economic development, and healthcare. America listened. The GOP decided to ignore it and do nothing, again.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 10:52 am
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:55 am to lsufan31
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Asking the government for a law that allows you to discriminate against people, for whatever they do in their private life......That's legislating morality. Because if people are allowed to discriminate by citing religious freedom, what says it stops at discrimination of gays
The baker is not refusing to sell anything to a gay person he’s refusing to bake a cake for a wedding. In other words 2 gay guys can walk in and buy cookies or even a cake that says happy birthday.
I’ll tirn your argument around and ask should a black baker be forced to bake a cake for the KKK? If not why not? Who’s morality takes precedence?
Should religious groups be forced to admit atheists or people of other faiths? Generally to be as member of a certain church you have to subscribe to that faith, is that not discrimination?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:56 am to Jjdoc
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Half of the Scotus has Social activists on it. The one who will make the final vote is a leaner toward the left.
That brings me to the point of elections like this one. Trump will get to nominate 2 more during his presidency.
If the senate flips, we will not get a constitutionalist, we will get more activists.
Point taken, but the fact remains. The SCOTUS still hasn't decided the issue.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 10:58 am to tigerfoot
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I disagree. The man in the Whitehouse is the most flawed candidate ever run, and was supported by conservatives. Why? He talked about real issues. Real issues talked about in a bad way, with no real solutions at least garner some attention.
I can agree with that. But I am talking about more about the local elections to represent the states.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 11:00 am to Jjdoc
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Where is the cut off point in the cycle of the pregnancy?
Viability.
You've never read the cases have you?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 11:00 am to rumproast
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don't kill a person. Pretty simple.
Sometimes we decide that we must kill. It’s really NOT simple, and not an easy decision to make.
If you disagree, talk to someone who has had to make that decision, like a soldier.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 11:02 am to Jjdoc
quote:Yes, they have. You just don't like them.
Those issues have not been settled.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 11:06 am to lsufan31
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heartily disagree with you, its all of the right wing, religious freedom people who are asking the government for special laws, so that they can openly discriminate. They are forcing their "muh morals" on the rest of us,
The religious person that doesn’t want to bake a cake for a gay wedding is not forcing their morals on anyone. The gay couple can still get married and even get a cake somewhere else.
Using law to Force (you must bake this cake or you are discriminating against gays)or prevent (you can’t marry the person you want because I think it’s a sin) is forcing morals on someone else.
Allowing to practice their religion as they see fit is the same as allowing people to marry who they want is not forcing morals on anyone it’s allow people to love their own lives.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 11:07 am to Yak
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Those issues have not been settled. Yes, they have. You just don't like them
Well Slavery was settled 240 years ago too as was preventing half the population from voting
Posted on 12/13/17 at 11:10 am to Lonnie Utah
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Point taken, but the fact remains. The SCOTUS still hasn't decided the issue.
And had the nation decided that Trump was not "morally fit" as you did, we would have another activist on the bench right now.
It is how we ended up with Obama. Truth is, I am guilty of doing the same thing... but I learned from my mistake. Not voting for the lesser of 2 evils resulted in an IRS being politically armed, an IC being politically armed, and massive changes to face of this nation on a moral basis.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 11:12 am to oman
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Viability.
Not according to many dems and Jones. "I become right to life at BIRTH"
Fact.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 11:14 am to Jjdoc
quote:Dude, trying to make people feel bad about this obviously isn't working
Jjdoc
Posted on 12/13/17 at 11:16 am to Jjdoc
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And had the nation decided that Trump was not "morally fit" as you did, we would have another activist on the bench right now.
Where did I ever state who I voted for?
I DID say that I didn't think that Trump acted very Presidential and it was my biggest criticism of him.
Can a supporter not criticize some one?
And FWIW (full disclosure), I fully support Jack Phillips' first amendment right to freely practice his religion in the way he see fit AND I hope the SCOTUS rules in his favor. (You don't need a cake to get married.)
Just because I state the court hasn't ruled yet, doesn't mean I'm posting in opposition to the underlying idea you are trying to espouse. I'm simply saying that you can't honestly say that yet, because it's yet to be decided.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 11:25 am
Posted on 12/13/17 at 11:17 am to Jjdoc
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For all of Moore’s faults his perception as a pedophile did him in. As a father of a daughter I could never have pulled the lever for him. Shane on anyone who could or did.
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So you become part of the problem. Welcome to the world of "kill your opponent with an accusation"
Even worse when they kill the guy with an accusation(pedophile) that was never even made.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 11:22 am
Posted on 12/13/17 at 11:18 am to Lonnie Utah
quote:Nope.
Can a supporter not criticize some one?
Now join us Socialists, otherwise known as people who don't always agree with Trump
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 11:19 am
Posted on 12/13/17 at 7:51 pm to Evolved Simian
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Lulz. It's exactly what was expected when you start at the bottom of a recession.
Apply this logic to Trump and then we're on the same page
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:24 pm to Geauxst Writer
So trump is not the president anymore?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:31 pm to Jjdoc
Roy Moore's existence is an affront to civilized, intelligent discourse. To have him associated with the GOP or American conservatism does a disservice to both. The man is a troglodyte, a stereotype that fulfills every liberal caricature of conservatives.
Jones is just your every day run of the mill liberal democrat and will get voted out at the first opportunity.
Moore would have done far more harm to the GOP in the long run than one more democrat in the senate.
Jones is just your every day run of the mill liberal democrat and will get voted out at the first opportunity.
Moore would have done far more harm to the GOP in the long run than one more democrat in the senate.
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