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re: The media is freaking out over the three million illegally voted comments

Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:08 pm to
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27251 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:08 pm to
Even Republicans are saying what he's doing is ridiculous. No one is gping to take him seriously. Why doesn't he launch an investigation?
Posted by Vastmind
B Ara
Member since Sep 2013
5322 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:12 pm to
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The media is freaking out over the three million illegally voted comments by Cruiserhog Thats because our Commander in Chief is a stupid liar that lies for no reason. that might not cause a pause in the 60 million idiots that voted for him but for the rest of us, the media and those who possess any type of mental faculties we worry is his admnistration going to lie now about something big. the answer would be yep, first chance he gets.


Go hang out at everydayfeminism.com cheese weasel
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56550 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:13 pm to
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Even Republicans are saying what he's doing is ridiculous


not
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No one is gping to take him seriously
I am

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Why doesn't he launch an investigation?


Why doesn't the media do it's job and do the investigation themeselves? You know like the old days...put in the hard work on the ground...

go find the 33 million...report back to us

Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:13 pm to
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It is an idiotic charge (3-5 million illegal voters in 2016) and most sane people recognize it as such.

No, it really isn't, depending on how strict you are with 3M. What about 2 million?

If you concede that under normal conditions Obama would be expected to have received more votes in 2012 and even 2008 than Hillary, which seems to be a popular standard, then the numbers add up quick when looking at the increases she had over him, even just ballparking it.

I posted Texas already. Cali had an additional 899,503 for Hillary than Obama got in 2012.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71094 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:13 pm to
You seem to be trying really hard to accomplish something or you must have me confused with someone you have an inside joke with. I'm simply wanting the people who asked for something other than conjecture to at least respond to the guy that posted it.

Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:16 pm to
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my question to the media would be how is it so unreasonable to make a comment to say I believe that we have 3 million people who voted illegally ?... why is that opinion so far-fetched ?



It's far-fetched because there have been nowhere close to even 1% of that many cases of fraudulent voting found, despite exhaustive investigations by many different interests. However, the problem is not that the "opinion" is far-fetched. It's the irresponsibility of making a factual assertion with absolutely no basis or evidence whatsoever.

The standard for a president or, for that matter, any public official should be that you don't assert something is true unless you have reliable information showing that it's true. Trump and his administration have reversed the standard. They think it's fine to assert anything as long as there isn't conclusive proof that it's not true, and sometimes even when there is. These completely unsupported and frequently demonstrably false assertions have even been given a name by the Trump administration: "alternative facts".

If a CEO of a publicly traded company employed that standard when talking to media or investors about his company, he could go to jail. Before a CEO can make any public claims about the company he leads, he has an affirmative duty to diligently investigate and have reliable information backing up his claims. If we have laws that can put CEO's in jail for just speaking off the cuff without being sure that what they say is true, shouldn't the media and voters at least hold the president to that standard in reporting the news and at the polls?
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27251 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:18 pm to
Why would they lauch an investigation into a known lie. Just admit the obvious. Trump is thin skinned insecure liar that is bothered greatly by the fact that he's not seem as a real president by many people
His actions the past fews make this very clear.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56550 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:19 pm to
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It's far-fetched because there have been nowhere close to even 1% of that many cases of fraudulent voting found, despite exhaustive investigations by many different interests


well, you go interview the 33 million illegals and get them to testify yeah I did vote or no I didn't...

report back you finding!

the problem with your argument is you can't demonstrate fraud because it can not be measured with hard evidence that everyone who participated is a legal citizen.

This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 3:19 pm
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:19 pm to
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with absolutely no basis or evidence whatsoever


People keep saying this while evidence is posted over and over and over again.
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:21 pm to
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I posted Texas already.


I thought there were pretty strict voter ID laws in effect during this election?
Posted by Themole
Palatka Florida
Member since Feb 2013
5557 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:22 pm to
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The simple fact is if he believes this he needs to launch an investigation immediately.


What he will most likely do is close all the loop holes that allow the possibility of any illegal voting. Place a ten year prison term on violators. Twenty five years for organized violations.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:24 pm to
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It's far-fetched because there have been nowhere close to even 1% of that many cases of fraudulent voting found, despite exhaustive investigations by many different interests.

Because the term "fraudulent voting" means something completely different in many states, at least as realistically applied.

If non-citizens voting was truly and uniformly considered fraudulent voting, then why are the laws so fundamentally lax in many states?
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:24 pm to
Why is it that conservatives no longer require evidence for a claim from the federal government now that Dear Leader Trump is in charge.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:26 pm to
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longer require evidence f


Here's another one
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56550 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:26 pm to
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Why would they lauch an investigation into a known lie. Just admit the obvious. Trump is thin skinned insecure liar that is bothered greatly by the fact that he's not seem as a real president by many people
His actions the past fews make this very clear.


Toddy, it's clear that you do not understand Trump....or his ways

Liberals think differently

Lets stop debating because we will never see the same thing through different lenses and left brain/right brain issues.

Trump is just "talking"..and raising issues, speaking his mind...

meanwhile he is in fact kicking arse while the Democrats throw a tizzy...he's working, they are talking, "all talk, not action"...comes to mind

I find it amusing, because Democrats don't make any sense to me anyways...

Democrats boast about and talk of love, acceptance, equality, but fail to live it out ...The woman of the Democratic party showcased it this past weekend

You are connected to radical feminism proudly. That's a label you embrace...so that' why we can't have adult conversations about facts and what was meant...

The issue is one last time, we have no voter ID and we have 33 million illegals....focus on that!!!!!!!!!!!!



Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:28 pm to
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thought there were pretty strict voter ID laws in effect during this election?

I initially did as well and a discussion here prompted me to look into it and it hit me like a brickbat. It's almost flagrant deceit how it is handled in many states. They even try to make it look legitimate on its face ("you must be a citizen to vote") but when you look into either the requirements to register or to cast a vote, or the consequences for lying, it's all window dressing.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115400 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:29 pm to
Oh you and your sorcerous math ways
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
22020 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:29 pm to
Well, all those dead voters in Detroit is a place to start. Course, the media never followed up on that, let alone Obama's DOJ.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56550 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:31 pm to
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Why is it that conservatives no longer require evidence for a claim from the federal government now that Dear Leader Trump is in charge.


Well, I tend believe fraud is taking place...I have no numbers or guesses...

what I do know!

My brother in law works for the city of Durham as a social worker

He says many Hispanic people he works with invent ways to get around the boundaries of system....to get access to services

In short, fraud in our backyard to get access to government services...kids are legal citizens, parents are not!!! ok...FACT! Going on on a daily basis in a predominately black city...google it

so you want me to believe Hispanics, illegals wouldn't vote for Democrats to keep the gig they got going?

Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:31 pm to
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I initially did as well and a discussion here prompted me to look into it and it hit me like a brickbat. It's almost flagrant deceit how it is handled in many states. They even try to make it look legitimate on its face ("you must be a citizen to vote") but when you look into either the requirements to register or to cast a vote, or the consequences for lying, it's all window dressing.


I meant Texas voter ID laws. Texas only accepted specific forms of ID in order to vote.

That law was recently struck down but it was in effect for this last election.
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