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re: The left keeps saying we cannot imprison our way out of crime.

Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:17 pm to
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:17 pm to
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Weird, but I said more cops and you agreed.


Is it weird?

I agreed with that part before you posted it a second time. Actually, I'm the one who brought it up. You agreed with me on that point, not the other way around.

I can't help that you didn't read it the first time.
This post was edited on 11/27/25 at 7:19 pm
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10267 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:18 pm to
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Education and employment deter crime. Weird that you omitted those things.


Is it weird?

He named two specific options and I addressed those specific options. Neither of those options was education or employment.

So...why was that weird?
This post was edited on 11/27/25 at 7:19 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58655 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:24 pm to
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Are you suggesting we can rehabilitate psychopaths?


Are you suggesting most people in prison are psychopaths?

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Rapists and murderers?
do you believe that most people in prisons were convicted of rape or murder? They make up less than a quarter of all inmates.

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This is why women shouldn’t vote.

can’t have people who know anything voting. Must rely solely on vibes, not actual data.
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
8562 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:24 pm to
Start putting people in one of these for a couple day for shoplifting and you can bet things ae going to change.

Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58655 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:27 pm to
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He named two specific options and I addressed those specific options. Neither of those options was education or employment.


Ok fair but he doesn’t actually know what he’s talking about. I mean that respectfully.

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So...why was that weird?
because you do know something about this.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10267 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:27 pm to
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Are you suggesting most people in prison are psychopaths?


Some statistics do seem to indicate that a majority of prison inmates have anti-social disorder, or at least significant characteristics thereof.

The range varies depending on who you ask, from around 47%-84%.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10267 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:29 pm to
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because you do know something about this.


I really was just addressing the specific prescriptions he suggested, not attempting to provide an exhaustive analysis.

Also, I don't know everything. I was not aware that employment was the number one predictor of recidivism.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
39339 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:30 pm to
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Start putting people in one of these for a couple day for shoplifting and you can bet things ae going to change.


Yup

What's funny is sharia law calls for cutting a hand off for stealing. The irony of the left is mind numbing.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10267 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:32 pm to
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Start putting people in one of these for a couple day for shoplifting and you can bet things ae going to change.


People think that, and I used to think so as well.

But I looked up the crime rates for the colonies, back when trials were pretty much immediate, punishments were harsh and public, and hangings were common.

The crime rate per capita was higher than it is now. Especially murder. It was six times higher than it is now.

Crazy.

A lot of it is counter-intuitive.
This post was edited on 11/27/25 at 7:33 pm
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
39339 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:33 pm to
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The crime rate per capita was higher than it is now. Especially murder. It was six times higher than it is now.


Why was that?
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10267 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:35 pm to
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Why was that?


I don't know. I didn't have enough data to answer that question.

I do know that the harsh, immediate, and public punishments didn't seem to do much to deter it, though.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58655 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:45 pm to
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Also, I don't know everything. I was not aware that employment was the number one predictor of recidivism.


I’ve done a lot of research around recidivism. If I was on my computer, I’d have a bunch of links I could share but my oldest is sick and wants to snuggle with his mommy so I’m kind of anchored at the moment.

Age is also a significant factor. People tend to offend less as they age.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
39339 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 7:53 pm to
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I’ve done a lot of research around recidivism.


Some people simply cannot function in society. There is no cure for them. You cannot let them run lose.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58655 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 8:03 pm to
You are implying that most people in state custody are not capable of functioning inof society. That’s absurd. My perception is you have very little or absolutely no familiarity with the carceral system.
Posted by FlySaint
FL Panhandle
Member since May 2018
2311 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 8:04 pm to
No we haven’t. If we were doing that now there’d be no such animal as a violent felon on the street with 50-70 prior arrests.

1) Libtard judges need to stop revolving door releases due to DEI optics.
2) Third violent felony, or felon found in possession of a weapon, gets a mandatory 25 years no parole.

Get the known violent repeat offenders off the street and in jail long term. That’s the way to reduce crime. It’s also the humane thing to do…at least it is for the law abiding citizens!
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58655 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 8:05 pm to
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Why was that?


I imagine it might have something to do with the types of people willing to move across the world to America. Probably impulsive, very little to lose, adventurous, risk-takers.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
39339 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 8:10 pm to
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You are implying that most people in state custody are not capable of functioning inof society.


Nope. I'm saying if penalties were harsher there would be less of them while the rest probably belong locked up.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58655 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 8:13 pm to
You want to double down on punishment, which has proven to be ineffective at deterring crime for generations.
Posted by MidWestGuy
Illinois
Member since Nov 2018
1798 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 9:57 pm to
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Obviously crimes of passion aren’t committed with consequences in mind.


So, if they face some extreme lock up, maybe they *will* have consequences in mind before committing the next act?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
58655 posts
Posted on 11/27/25 at 10:05 pm to
That’s not what evidence indicates but that doesn’t stop Americans from frothing at the bit at the thought of locking someone in a cage for 500 years.

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The threat of criminal penalties is therefore only significant if an individual believes there is a high risk of being caught for committing a crime. But since most crimes, whether minor property offenses or serious violent crimes, don’t in fact result in arrest and conviction, there is little reason for most potential offenders to consider the severity of penalties.


LINK
This post was edited on 11/27/25 at 10:06 pm
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