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re: The left keeps saying we cannot imprison our way out of crime.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:31 am to loogaroo
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:31 am to loogaroo
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the death penalty was allowed if it was ‘the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.’ “
In a country that gleefully sentences people to LWOP, the death penalty is not ‘only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.’
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Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:33 am to 4cubbies
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In a country that gleefully sentences people to LWOP, the death penalty is not ‘only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.’
As long as we have democrats, LWOP is not assured.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:44 am to RohanGonzales
Plenty of people are sentenced to LWOP in blue cities and states.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 5:41 pm to 4cubbies
Straight from my uncle who’s a three time warden at state penitentiaries. You?
Posted on 11/27/25 at 5:43 pm to FlySaint
Actual data.
Why doesn’t your uncle change his failing approach to rehabilitation? Weird flex.
Why doesn’t your uncle change his failing approach to rehabilitation? Weird flex.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 5:46 pm to VOR
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The threat of incarceration doesn’t
deter many maladaptive perps for some reason, and it’s not practical or even possible to put every perp in every jurisdiction in jail.
You still don't let the animals roam free to do more.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 5:49 pm to 4cubbies
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Plenty of people are sentenced to LWOP in blue cities and states.
Apparently not enough.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:01 pm to loogaroo
How many people in cages is "enough?"
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:02 pm to 4cubbies
Your data is skewed to give a desired result. In the real world all criminals learn in prison is to be better criminals through the sharing of best practices. The criminal mindset cannot be changed through the force of good intentions. But crime rates can definitely be reduced by more incarceration.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:08 pm to FlySaint
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Your data is skewed to give a desired result.
So is yours.
I guess we can do this all day and get nowhere.
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In the real world all criminals learn in prison is to be better criminals through the sharing of best practices
Correct. Have you ever wondered why this is the case? Have you ever wondered if prison could look different in this country and achieve different results?
quote:what “good intentions” are you referring to? Will bad intentions lower recidivism? What is the alternative you are advocating for?
The criminal mindset cannot be changed through the force of good intentions
quote:how much more? How many people need to be incarcerated to satisfy you?
But crime rates can definitely be reduced by more incarceration.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:10 pm to FlySaint
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:11 pm to 4cubbies
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Since 1970, the prison population has increased by 500%
Right after the democrats encouraged single parent homes through the use of government handouts.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:14 pm to 4cubbies
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What We Can Learn From Norway’s Prison System: Rehabilitation & Recidivism
You are talking about fricking Norway. Not NOLA or Chicago.
What is the common denominator in the difference of demographics here?
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:27 pm to loogaroo
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What is the common denominator in the difference of demographics here?
Norway doesn't have the level of cultural diversity that the United States has.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:28 pm to loogaroo
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You are talking about fricking Norway. Not NOLA or Chicago.
What is the common denominator in the difference of demographics here?
Your compelling and data-driven argument for why Norway’s approach should not be tried in the US is what now? We shouldn’t try what works in Norway because New Orleans isn’t Norway?
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:32 pm to SOSFAN
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Right after the democrats and feminists encouraged single parent homes
And that's the thing.
I actually have no objection to a radically different "justice" system. What we have now doesn't work, isn't applied equally, and generally gets poor results.
Advocating for more of the same bad policy is simply not intelligent.
However, changing just that one link in the chain isn't going to be effective. IMO in a country the size of the US, a whole lot of things would need to change for a radically more "rehabilitative" system to work. As in, massive parts of the whole culture would need to change.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:33 pm to 4cubbies
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Your compelling and data-driven argument for why Norway’s approach should not be tried in the US is what now? We shouldn’t try what works in Norway because New Orleans isn’t Norway?
You know that even the article you linked to mentions reasons why what Norway did might not work in the US, right?
This post was edited on 11/27/25 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:36 pm to wackatimesthree
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However, it’s difficult to predict whether Norwegian-style prison policies could succeed in the United States or other western countries. One of the biggest factors that makes Norway’s prison system successful is that the approach has widespread support throughout the population. Norway’s citizens believe deeply that the goal of prison should be to help prisoners succeed after release, not to implement punishment that makes life more difficult.
Another factor is economics. Norway spends $93,000 each year for each prisoner in its system. It may be effective to focus on rehabilitation in prison, but it isn’t cheap. By contrast, the United States spends a third of that amount, $31,000. How would citizens in other western countries feel about a policy that increases spending 300% and improves living conditions for criminals? It would likely be a divisive proposal in the United States and many other countries.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 6:36 pm to 4cubbies
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We shouldn’t try what works in Norway because New Orleans isn’t Norway?
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