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re: The ISP/privacy issue, the dilemma and "conservatives"
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:07 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:07 pm to TigerBait1127
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Who are the smaller companies in you area?
CenturyLink and CCI.
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:08 pm to notsince98
And you all call Dems cucks? Good lord.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:08 pm to Centinel
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It honestly blows my mind that people are losing their collective shite over this, but have no damn problem with social media, Google, etc. hoovering up every single damn thing you do for advertising purposes.
Well that's because you don't seem to understand the difference between an ISP and an ad/social media company. You have choices when it comes to what websites you use, but the current monopolized ISP choices doesn't make that true that industry.
Furthermore, for the 10th time, ISPs don't fall under the FTCs jurisdiction. They've actually argued that current communications regulations don't apply to PII btw.
Look up the NCTA and section 222
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:08 pm to Tiguar
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:10 pm to notsince98
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Monopolies don't tend to happen naturally. They tend to be the result of big government that creates regulations that help the big boys and hurt the little guys. yes, i'd be all for getting rid of all government regulations on private companies. How people spend their $ should be regulation enough but that would require people taking personal responsibility and knowing who they are giving their money to and what they are getting in return.
Holy shite
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:10 pm to TheHumanTornado
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And you all call Dems cucks? Good lord.
I know how to privatize my data such that my ISP can't see what I'm doing. I'm good to go either way.
If people are really concerned about this, there are easy ways to protect yourself from the ISP without government intervention.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:11 pm to notsince98
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CenturyLink and CCI.
CenturyLink is the 3rd largest telecommunications company in the US with almost $18 billion in revenue last year.
They're a fortune 500 company
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:14 pm to TigerBait1127
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CenturyLink is the 3rd largest telecommunications company in the US with almost $18 billion in revenue last year.
Compare their subscriber numbers to TWC, Comcast and AT&T. Then compare their resources to Google.
Big doesn't mean they are a big dog with clout in the game.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:14 pm to TigerBait1127
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Well that's because you don't seem to understand the difference between an ISP and an ad/social media company. You have choices when it comes to what websites you use, but the current monopolized ISP choices doesn't make that true that industry.
Except that all the websites you use are collecting your data. Google analytics is damn near ubiquitous now. And considering most websites utilize SSL/TLS, the data ISPs can leverage for advertising revenue is shrinking. The only thing the ISPs can sell is what websites you visit. Which of course Google and crew paid good money to make sure was restricted via the proposed FCC rule.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:16 pm to 10888bge
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Sorry Laizzes Fair does not benefit anyone but the companies, at the expense of the consumer
Start you own ISP then
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:16 pm to notsince98
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Historically this is right but it is changing. For example at my house I have 4 ISPs to choose from and all can provide 1Gbit fiber services. If the smaller companies in my area get a leg up and increase customer bases due to better privacy, they will be able to afford to expand into areas that don't have as many options right now.
this move DOES help level the playing field as it gives another avenue for smaller guys to differentiate themselves from the giants.
No it does not. You may be fortunate enough to have that amount of choices in your area but based on data, you are in a very, very small minority of people that have that:
LINK
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:19 pm to notsince98
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Monopolies don't tend to happen naturally. They tend to be the result of big government that creates regulations that help the big boys and hurt the little guys.
yes, i'd be all for getting rid of all government regulations on private companies. How people spend their $ should be regulation enough but that would require people taking personal responsibility and knowing who they are giving their money to and what they are getting in return.
This is some whack pseudo voodoo economics nonsense lol.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:20 pm to notsince98
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Then compare their resources to Google.
You mean the Google company that is putting their fiber expansion on hold largely due to the resources needed (and that's with sweetheart deals by local municipalities)
CenturyLink is a massive company
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TWC, Comcast
CenturyLink is only behind Verizon and AT&T
And TWC was bought by Charter I believe
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:24 pm to League Champs
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Start you own ISP then
Are you saying this will stop ISPs from getting my private information?
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:28 pm to Centinel
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It honestly blows my mind that people are losing their collective shite over this, but have no damn problem with social media, Google, etc. hoovering up every single damn thing you do for advertising purposes.
The issue is the choice.
I could choose not to use google.com, google chrome, facebook, etc. however, I only have one option for high speed internet in my area.
If there were multiple ISPs in my area and some offered not to sell my information I could then choose to support them and not another ISP and let the market respond to people's choice, but that's not really an option in most areas.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:29 pm to notsince98
if they sell info about me from my activities then I want a cut of it.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:32 pm to ctalati32
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I could choose not to use google.com, google chrome, facebook, etc. however, I only have one option for high speed internet in my area.
Name a website that you utilize that isn't collecting your data.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:50 pm to notsince98
It sounds like a solution would be for ISPs to offer a discount to users who agree to share their data.
The European Union is addressing some privacy concerns in the GDRP (GDPR? Not going to look it up) law. Mexico supposedly has something similar on tap. California won't be too far behind I'm sure.
The European Union is addressing some privacy concerns in the GDRP (GDPR? Not going to look it up) law. Mexico supposedly has something similar on tap. California won't be too far behind I'm sure.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:06 pm to BobABooey
And if you had a truly competitive ISP marketplace you could imagine a situation like that emerging. Where competitors, vying for business but trying to make money, offer a discounted rate to customers to sell a selection of opt-in data to advertisers.
Or even like another person mentioned in another thread, a near free internet tier payed by advertising revenue generated under a contractual agreement with the customer.
With those same economic pressures hedging against that data getting sold to nefarious or questionable collectors.
But that is not what is likely to emerge by continuing to allow this behavior. Instead monopolistic companies just use it as an additional profit stream and have little incentive to pass that on to the consumer.
Eliminate net neutrality next and you have a corporatist wet-dream of a market for ISP's.
Or even like another person mentioned in another thread, a near free internet tier payed by advertising revenue generated under a contractual agreement with the customer.
With those same economic pressures hedging against that data getting sold to nefarious or questionable collectors.
But that is not what is likely to emerge by continuing to allow this behavior. Instead monopolistic companies just use it as an additional profit stream and have little incentive to pass that on to the consumer.
Eliminate net neutrality next and you have a corporatist wet-dream of a market for ISP's.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:07 pm to Centinel
quote:DuckDuckGo?
Name a website that you utilize that isn't collecting your data.
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