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The House STILL after Trump's tax records

Posted on 3/3/21 at 2:27 am
Posted by antibarner
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 2:27 am
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Unbelievable..or maybe totally so. There's no valid reason for this other than leaking bits and pieces everywhere and partisan politics.
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Democrats have said that Trump's tax records were necessary so they could come up with financial disclosure legislation for future administrations., Politico reported. They suspect that his tax filings would show potential conflicts of interest and inappropriate foreign ties.
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 2:43 am to
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. They suspect that his tax filings would show potential conflicts of interest and inappropriate foreign ties.

I believe it's 99% probability that Mueller had free reign with Trump's tax returns. If the question is whether Mueller had the ability to access to returns of people within the investigation.....why sure he did, hell how else would Manafort and Gates have been charged with tax violations? So sure, Mueller had access and happily got his grubby hands all over them, regardless of objection or not by the "owners" of those returns.

Why were Trump's returns not mentioned in the Mueller Report? 'Cause there was absolutely no criminal activity to report upon. And he'd have gotten his arse burned had he merely included gossip about Trump's net worth this or that citing his returns and other tax info.

There's simply no "there" there.
Posted by ksayetiger
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 2:47 am to
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Democrats have said that Trump's tax records were necessary so they could come up with financial disclosure legislation for future administrations., Politico reported. They suspect that his tax filings would show potential conflicts of interest and inappropriate foreign ties.



ok.

let's see obamas amd bidens from 2008-2016

not that they reported their laundry
Posted by phutureisyic
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2016
3370 posts
Posted on 3/3/21 at 3:14 am to
The Dems are scared and jealous of the OMB! He called out the swamp and exposed who the RINO’s are. Trump changed the Republican Party, which will be a force to reckon with and they know it. They almost lost the 2020 election even after cheating.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 3:18 am
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23711 posts
Posted on 3/3/21 at 3:34 am to
Of course there isn't. If there were, you'd have to be insane to put it in a tax return.

They want to leak selected parts in an extended smear campaign.
Posted by davyjones
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Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 3:42 am to
Honestly, I don't even think they really want to actually get their hands on them all at once, or at least don't want that perception by the public....then the build up to it is over and they can no longer play the speculation game. They just want it to look like Trump's continuously trying to fight it because "he's got something to hide".

**And yeah you're also right about leaking tiny parts here and there, blatantly out of context.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 3:48 am
Posted by JasonMason
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 5:16 am to
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let's see obamas amd bidens from 2008-2016



Why stop there? Let's see all of congress.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 6:28 am to
Biden is under investigation for foreign influence and they want to find dirt on Trump. Makes sense.
Posted by BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 6:47 am to
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Trump's tax records were necessary so they could come up with financial disclosure legislation for future administrations


Posted by BiteMe2020
Texas
Member since Nov 2020
7284 posts
Posted on 3/3/21 at 6:50 am to
Can't they just look at Biden's family's returns? Much better examples of conflicts of interest there.
Posted by Dday63
Member since Sep 2014
2297 posts
Posted on 3/3/21 at 6:56 am to
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Mueller had access and happily got his grubby hands all over them, regardless of objection or not by the "owners" of those returns.


Here's where your analysis breaks down. You don't know whether Manafort or Gates resisted disclosure of their tax information. Your 99% probability needs to be adjusted due to your own assumptions.
Posted by Dday63
Member since Sep 2014
2297 posts
Posted on 3/3/21 at 6:58 am to
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let's see obamas amd bidens from 2008-2016


They are publicly available. If you want them, you can see them.
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4863 posts
Posted on 3/3/21 at 7:05 am to
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They suspect that his tax filings would show potential conflicts of interest and inappropriate foreign ties.


Really? Shall we take a look at this exact same standard and apply it to Clinton, Obama, Biden, HUNTER Biden, etc?
Posted by davyjones
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Member since Feb 2019
30112 posts
Posted on 3/3/21 at 7:09 am to
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Here's where your analysis breaks down. You don't know whether Manafort or Gates resisted disclosure of their tax information. Your 99% probability needs to be adjusted due to your own assumptions.

My point is that whether they resisted disclosure or not, disclosure happened regardless. Did Mueller tell me personally that he had full access to their tax returns and other related tax information? No, but again given the fact that their charges were directly related to discrepancies in their declarations in tax information, it seems like a pretty safe assumption.
Posted by Dday63
Member since Sep 2014
2297 posts
Posted on 3/3/21 at 7:55 am to
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My point is that whether they resisted disclosure or not, disclosure happened regardless


Yes, but then you assume a "99% probability" Mueller also had Trump's records, even though we know Trump has resisted disclosure of those records all the way to the Supreme Court.

You don't know if Manafort and Gates resisted at all.
Posted by Dday63
Member since Sep 2014
2297 posts
Posted on 3/3/21 at 7:59 am to
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Really? Shall we take a look at this exact same standard and apply it to Clinton, Obama, Biden, HUNTER Biden, etc?


Every President since Nixon has publicly disclosed their tax records, so Congressional oversight was possible contemporaneously. I'm not saying Congress needs to examine Trump's records, but they have already examined past Presidents' and can do so again if they want.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 8:01 am to
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I believe it's 99% probability that Mueller had free reign with Trump's tax returns.


I believe is it 100% probable that people in the IRS have seen his records and if there was anything "there" it would have been leaked.
Posted by ehidal1
Chief Boot Knocka
Member since Dec 2007
37134 posts
Posted on 3/3/21 at 8:03 am to
They want to create as many media distractions as possible
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
21540 posts
Posted on 3/3/21 at 8:06 am to
To me it’s obvious they’re looking for anything they can use against him to prevent him from running in 2024 and to even damage his leadership in the GOP.
Posted by davyjones
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Member since Feb 2019
30112 posts
Posted on 3/3/21 at 8:16 am to
Trump's opposition to subpoenas of his returns etc is a little more complicated. There have been private (non-government) parties who have been in that fight to seek forced disclosure, as well as state justice officials, namely Manhattan DA's Office. Those are a different set of parameters than the authority that Mueller possessed. Trump himself stated on several occasions that he was of the understanding that Mueller and co. had access to and looked at his tax records as a part of the investigation. If you insist, feel free to adjust the 99% probability I cited. But for my part, I'm sticking with the 99.
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