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The horde—can we turn them away if they ask for amnesty?
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:38 pm
And if we legally can’t, then why isn’t congress in session right now writing laws that allow us to?
Or granting the president the power he needs to secure the border and repell the horde?
What happened to the last horde? Are they awaiting a hearing to be deported? They have overrun our ability to hold hearings. Pure Cloward and Piven but the Republicans should be working to counter this before the mob arrives.
Thought?
Or granting the president the power he needs to secure the border and repell the horde?
What happened to the last horde? Are they awaiting a hearing to be deported? They have overrun our ability to hold hearings. Pure Cloward and Piven but the Republicans should be working to counter this before the mob arrives.
Thought?
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:41 pm to sparkinator
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can we turn them away if they ask for amnesty?
Absolutely, the only country required to accept them is Guatemala if they wish to claim refuge status.
We are not required to even let them apply.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:42 pm to cave canem
Didn’t we allow the last group to enter and file for refugee status?
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:43 pm to sparkinator
As a signatory country to the Convention, we would be required to process their request for asylum ... if they manage to enter the country. This why we do not let them enter.
Some argue that we do not have even that obligation because we were not the first foreign country they entered. These people are wrong, according to about 99% of iimmigration lawyers.
As an historical matter, something like 80-90% of asylum requests have been denied. In this group, I would not be surprised if the denial ratio were not higher. This is clearly more a matter of protest for some and seeking economic opportunity for others. I doubt that there are many valid asylum-seekers in the group.
Some argue that we do not have even that obligation because we were not the first foreign country they entered. These people are wrong, according to about 99% of iimmigration lawyers.
As an historical matter, something like 80-90% of asylum requests have been denied. In this group, I would not be surprised if the denial ratio were not higher. This is clearly more a matter of protest for some and seeking economic opportunity for others. I doubt that there are many valid asylum-seekers in the group.
This post was edited on 10/21/18 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:43 pm to sparkinator
"No jobs" is not a qualification for amnesty.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:43 pm to sparkinator
Seeking asylum is crossing a border. Crossing multiple borders is not. It's an invasion.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:44 pm to sparkinator
The dead ex terrorist is far more important than a bunch of disease ridden, terrorist, hundreds of of pregnant women, drug carrying...and who knows what else is.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:45 pm to sparkinator
Why don’t they just get turned the frick away for no reason at all
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:45 pm to AggieHank86
I understand it’s a bogus claim, but they aren’t filing through refugee centers. They are storming the gates and then claiming as asylum seekers. How many of the earlier group were allowed to stay while their case was considered?
This post was edited on 10/21/18 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:47 pm to Jrv2damac
quote:We can do exactly that, if they never cross the border.
Why don’t they just get turned the frick away for no reason at all
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:49 pm to sparkinator
quote:I do. ot know the raw. umbers, but legally any who got into the country would be entitled to consideration of their asylum requests.
How many of the earlier group were allowed to stay while their case was considered?
Again, historically 80-90% of those requests have been denied. Maybe someone else knows the numbers for the folks in the last caravan.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:50 pm to AggieHank86
A Bunch of good citizens should be waiting at the border with lots of roman candles and some big fireworks to welcome them.
Know what I mean?
Know what I mean?
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:51 pm to sparkinator
Trump declares this a military matter.
Choot'em.
This never happens again.
Choot'em.
This never happens again.
This post was edited on 10/21/18 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:51 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
We can do exactly that, if they never cross the border.
But they will cross the border because we can’t stop them. We don’t have a wall. We can’t stop them on Mexico so we have to stop them after they cross the border. Unless the army rounds them up and sends them back.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:57 pm to sparkinator
quote:I doubt it. This protest is about optics. They want people marching down the highway and getting turned away at the Rio Grande. When they are blocked, 95% will go home.
But they will cross the border because we can’t stop them. We don’t have a wall. We can’t stop them on Mexico so we have to stop them after they cross the border. Unless the army rounds them up and sends them back.
There are no optics in hiring a coyote and crossing the border in the dead of night in a couple of months. Any tiny minority who do that (rather than going home) will not be seeking asylum. They will fade into America, get a job and be the same quiet residents as 99% of the illegals who are already here.
This post was edited on 10/21/18 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:57 pm to AggieHank86
I’ve read where all our facilities are already overflowing. What else can we do besides stop force with force? Trump is right.
The Republican Congress needs to be, even if it isn’t necessary, authorizing the president all the authority he needs to prevent this horde from crossing the border.
Stand united.
The Republican Congress needs to be, even if it isn’t necessary, authorizing the president all the authority he needs to prevent this horde from crossing the border.
Stand united.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 10:03 pm to sparkinator
if they are looking for amnesty they should have applied for it in Mexico, the first Country they came too, if they pass thru Mexico and to the USA they are an invasion.
Posted on 10/21/18 at 10:03 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
This protest is about optics.
Does anyone really think this is something spontaneous. It's a highly organized and choreographed protest march
Posted on 10/21/18 at 10:08 pm to dantes69
quote:
if they are looking for amnesty they should have applied for it in Mexico, the first Country they came too, if they pass thru Mexico and to the USA they are an invasion.
They are picking up a lot more from Mexico,
Posted on 10/21/18 at 10:08 pm to dantes69
1st step should be a phone call to the new Mexican President. Let him know, under no uncertain terms, that if this "caravan" reaches our border, all aid to the Mexican government will be cut immediately.
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