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The globalism bills are finally due..
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:03 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:03 am
We've been riding pretty high, especially since the end of the Cold War, which almost perfectly coincided with the rapid rise of China.
Americans, particularly, high on the economic surge of the 1980s really went all in for a lifestyle based on cheap money, cheap consumer goods and a transition from a manufacturing economy (which we began to abandon in the 1970s) to a service/information based economy.
Frankly, we were better than good at that with the rise of the internet by the beginning of the 2000s. Along the way we largely ditched who we were - optimistic risk takers who grabbed life with both hands, building and improving things being almost second nature - in favor of social media addicted, navel gazing layabouts, collectively unable to imagine life without the internet.
And now the bills for those choices have come due - with interest.
Will we withdraw after this, as we did before and after World War I? Or will we resume a more aggressive posture on the world stage as we did during the 1950s and 1960s?
Is this scare enough for us to decouple our cheap consumer lifestyle rooted in child/slave labor in China, or will we be back to "business as usual" by this time next year?
Americans, particularly, high on the economic surge of the 1980s really went all in for a lifestyle based on cheap money, cheap consumer goods and a transition from a manufacturing economy (which we began to abandon in the 1970s) to a service/information based economy.
Frankly, we were better than good at that with the rise of the internet by the beginning of the 2000s. Along the way we largely ditched who we were - optimistic risk takers who grabbed life with both hands, building and improving things being almost second nature - in favor of social media addicted, navel gazing layabouts, collectively unable to imagine life without the internet.
And now the bills for those choices have come due - with interest.
Will we withdraw after this, as we did before and after World War I? Or will we resume a more aggressive posture on the world stage as we did during the 1950s and 1960s?
Is this scare enough for us to decouple our cheap consumer lifestyle rooted in child/slave labor in China, or will we be back to "business as usual" by this time next year?
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:10 am to Ace Midnight
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Will we withdraw after this, as we did before and after World War I? Or will we resume a more aggressive posture on the world stage as we did during the 1950s and 1960s? Is this scare enough for us to decouple our cheap consumer lifestyle rooted in child/slave labor in China, or will we be back to "business as usual" by this time next year?
I think that the interesting dynamic here is that both parties have lost mooring in this area.
Democrats, in the past, could reasonably have been expected to argue in favor of American labor over Chinese labor and for American manufacturing.
Republicans would have been the ones mostly talking about consumer and business benefits.
Basically, a good push/pull.
But now, Democrats are so knee jerk conditioned to scream racism at any criticism of a place that isn't mostly white, they're basically neutered on the subject.
So, who knows!
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:13 am to Ace Midnight
we need to be independent for everything that we need bvb to survive
this includes energy and medical supplies and treatments
hopefully, made it the USA becomes a thing again
this includes energy and medical supplies and treatments
hopefully, made it the USA becomes a thing again
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:14 am to Ace Midnight
All the same nutjobs calling for open borders, and globalism... are the same nutjobs calling for all this shutdown of the borders here and USSR type markets. Instead of common sense balances, we have knee jerk reactions as they are weak people.
Dear Nutjobs,
Please move to Venezuela or some place similar.
Thank you,
Americans
Dear Nutjobs,
Please move to Venezuela or some place similar.
Thank you,
Americans
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 7:16 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:17 am to Ace Midnight
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will we be back to "business as usual" by this time next year?
I hope not. If after this we aren't willing to change our ways, we deserve whatever fate befalls us.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 7:17 am to Ace Midnight
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Is this scare enough for us to decouple our cheap consumer lifestyle rooted in child/slave labor in China, or will we be back to "business as usual" by this time next year?
I'd like to think the former, but my faith in human nature leads me to believe the latter.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:27 pm to Perfect Circle
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I'd like to think the former, but my faith in human nature leads me to believe the latter.
I started the thread because, frankly I believe we're locked into the latter, as well.
But, I can still be hopeful, right? A Manhattan Project or Apollo Program to decouple the U.S. from "bad" globalism. We still want to trade, but we also want to be independent when necessary.
Maybe those are incompatible in the grand scheme of things.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:34 pm to Ace Midnight
Nationalism was already trending across the west. The reaction to this will only increase that. Bigly.
Mabye the globalists will try to exploit the low wages of Africa next.
I am wondering what the impact will be to the MSM if the numbers come in below the predicted totals.
And certain shops already on the brink - dept stores / the mall, movie theaters, Gamestop, ect.ect...
Mabye the globalists will try to exploit the low wages of Africa next.
I am wondering what the impact will be to the MSM if the numbers come in below the predicted totals.
And certain shops already on the brink - dept stores / the mall, movie theaters, Gamestop, ect.ect...
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:06 pm to dcbl
Basically, USA / Canada / Mexico...
Between the 3 of us North American countries, we need to be self sufficient and take care of North America for goods that are of critical national importance.
Use Mexico as we used China to keep costs down.
Bring it all back home!
Between the 3 of us North American countries, we need to be self sufficient and take care of North America for goods that are of critical national importance.
Use Mexico as we used China to keep costs down.
Bring it all back home!
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:43 pm to topdollarbill
Free market capitalism is the way to go.
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