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re: The gays are upset with Utah's governor
Posted on 5/25/14 at 12:40 pm to Vegas Bengal
Posted on 5/25/14 at 12:40 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Why is this important to you?
It's a dangerous precedent.
What happens when the GOP is in charge again? Would you be OK with overturning Obamacare or the contraception mandate because the opposition sues and the administration concedes?
The executive branch has a responsibility to defend laws against court challenges. Otherwise, just about the entire legal code becomes meaningless--a law can be repealed simply by electing a governor/attorney general on the state level (or a President for federal laws) who opposes the law. Then the people who oppose the law go to court and automatically win.
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Posted on 5/25/14 at 12:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It isnt hate speech, but it is fricking retarded.
It it's not even close to what he said.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 12:51 pm to Antonio Moss
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Wait, an agenda-driven special interest group mischaracterized a quote by a public official in order to illicit an emotional response from the unwashed masses?
Perfect.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 12:58 pm to weagle99
Gays are always upset, it's like they have something stuck up their arse
Posted on 5/25/14 at 12:59 pm to weagle99
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"For elected officials, governors or attorney generals, to pick and choose what laws (they) will enforce I think is a tragedy, and is the next step to anarchy," Herbert said. "We have an obligation as a state to defend those laws."
Once again, Federalist 62:
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"It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known, and less fixed?”
Posted on 5/25/14 at 1:04 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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It's a dangerous precedent.
It's a precedent that's been set a long time before Obama.
Seriously, do your history books begin in 2009? Am I going to have to show you the MANY times Bush did it? Or the Clinton AG opinion re it's propriety? Or the times Bush I or a Reagan did it? Or the times before that?
This is a constant battle on these boards with you guys holding Obama to a different standard than any other president. It gets tiresome.
Eta: to save me time copying and pasting ill link Ted Cruz getting called out for saying the same stupid thing LINK
Clinton's AG opinion
Paper on this
This post was edited on 5/25/14 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 5/25/14 at 1:27 pm to Vegas Bengal
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It's a precedent that's been set a long time before Obama.
Seriously, do your history books begin in 2009? Am I going to have to show you the MANY times Bush did it?
Frustrating how so many people choose to forget this. Blinded by party lines
Posted on 5/25/14 at 1:30 pm to Vegas Bengal
Vegas Bengal, you are a tragedy. A proud college republican who attended conventions and now a dark side liberal. I'm going to start calling you anakin, but that implies that you will see the light again one day
Posted on 5/25/14 at 1:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
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"To suggest that allowing gay marriage is the foundation of anarchy, to us, is hate speech,"
It isnt hate speech, but it is fricking retarded.
That is what the gay activist said, but is nothing close to what the UT governor said. I do agree with the last part of your sentence.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 2:33 pm to weagle99
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The gays are upset with Utah's governor
Well, if it weren't him, it would be somebody else. This particular subset of people is perpetually pissed at somebody about something.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 2:34 pm to weagle99
The nerve of a chief executive to defend his state's laws.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 4:32 pm to Vegas Bengal
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It's a precedent that's been set a long time before Obama.
First, does that seomehow make it a good idea?
Second, I didn't go after Obama/Holder. You took the position that the executive branch of Utah's government is wrong for defending a state law against a court challenge. I picked out a couple of examples of how your way of doing things might come back to bite you. That necessarily required picking out a couple of D policies that the R's might refuse to defend, since your principles are entirely dependent on the party labels of each side.
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Seriously, do your history books begin in 2009?
I really hope you're just trying to be annoying, and you're not really this clueless.
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This is a constant battle on these boards with you guys holding Obama to a different standard than any other president. It gets tiresome.
Yes, it does. I'm still waiting for liberals to start putting pictures of Obama next to pictures of Hitler.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 6:06 pm to weagle99
quote:As he should.
Utah governor will defend Utah law
quote:I agree. Even the far-left LA Times said the California governor should defend a similar law here in California a few years back for the simple reason that the governor works for the people of California and the people who passed the measure deserve to have their voice heard in court. And the LA Times is staunchly pro-gay marriage.
"For elected officials, governors or attorney generals, to pick and choose what laws (they) will enforce I think is a tragedy,
quote:That's a bit of overkill.
and is the next step to anarchy,"
quote:Now he's back on course and 100% correct.
"We have an obligation as a state to defend those laws."
Posted on 5/25/14 at 6:28 pm to weagle99
I'm waiting for a republican to do a gay marriage ban voter demographic breakdown by race. Then we'd get to have some real fricking fun. Blacks voted for Prop 8 by an almost 75% margin, and that's in liberal CA.
Homophobia among blacks is a dirty little secret that the left can't defend, so they deflect and blame the Mormons.
Homophobia among blacks is a dirty little secret that the left can't defend, so they deflect and blame the Mormons.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 7:54 pm to UL-SabanRival
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I'm waiting for a republican to do a gay marriage ban voter demographic breakdown by race. Then we'd get to have some real fricking fun. Blacks voted for Prop 8 by an almost 75% margin, and that's in liberal CA.
Homophobia among blacks is a dirty little secret that the left can't defend, so they deflect and blame the Mormons.
You do realize like 2% of Utah's population is black vs like 60% Mormon.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 8:05 pm to Socratics
There are way more black people in California than there are Mormons. But my point is that homophobia among blacks is something the left ignores or tries to hide.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 8:13 pm to Socratics
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You do realize like 2% of Utah's population is black vs like 60% Mormon.
And Karl Malone makes up 99% of the black population.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 8:28 pm to weagle99
Gay activists circa 2014 are pretty much the most obnoxious human beings on Earth.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 8:50 pm to weagle99
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Utah governor will defend Utah law.
Good for him. Hope he isn't expecting a win though. The gays are on quite a roll in the courts.
Posted on 5/25/14 at 9:28 pm to CamdenTiger
No
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 9:23 am
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