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re: The FOURTH branch of government
Posted on 8/5/22 at 11:20 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 8/5/22 at 11:20 am to TbirdSpur2010
I mean, in the sense that the very few of you that are actually about action getting lumped in with the cowboy boot wearing chumps screaming about muh Texas freedom that couldn’t ride a horse to save their lives I am sorry about that, but those are the types of people that make up the majority of Texans.
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 11:35 am to oldskule
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The American Gestapo has been formed and comimg....
Looks to me more like the United Socialist States of America's KGB.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 11:38 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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those are the types of people that make up the majority of Texans.
I disagree, but what do I know, I just live here
Regardless, gonna keep pushing for what I think is best for the Lone Star
Posted on 8/5/22 at 11:44 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Regardless, gonna keep pushing for what I think is best for the Lone Star
Good luck
You may want to figure out how to provide electricity to your residents in adverse weather before you leave. Don’t want to end up in an EU type situation.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 11:50 am to EKG
EKG, you seem active in the political scene away from TD, would you mind emailing me. I have aspirations for a seat in congress and would like to get some feedback.
My username at Gmail dot com
My username at Gmail dot com
Posted on 8/5/22 at 11:51 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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You may want to figure out how to provide electricity to your residents in adverse weather before you leave.
I know you think this is a gotcha (also, not really sure what your beef is with Texans, but whatever), but that situation is actually a cogent example as to why we'd want separation from the feds. If you care to look into it. Or don't.
Doesn't matter to me either way lol.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 11:51 am to EKG
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Suffice it to say I’m a member of the leadership team of a movement leading the effort to part company with said bureaucrac
As a fellow Texan I know what you are talking about. There are a lot of us.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 11:59 am to TbirdSpur2010
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not really sure what your beef is with Texans
Texans and their brand of “conservatism” is a big reason we’re in this position to begin with. There’s a reason the likes of Ted Cruz and Dan Crenshaw represent you. That’s who y’all are.
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but that situation is actually a cogent example as to why we'd want separation from the feds.
Great, but as it is with everything else Texas, you can’t sustain yourselves without outside help. Your entire history is full of accounts of men from other states coming to your rescue. Having an adversarial nation you just broke away from provide you with energy to support your newly founded nation doesn’t sound like a good plan to me.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:13 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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Texans and their brand of “conservatism” is a big reason we’re in this position to begin with.
O...k? Texit isn't about conservatism or liberalism at the end of the day, though
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the likes of Ted Cruz and Dan Crenshaw represent you. That’s who y’all are.
I'm not a fan of either of those guys, and the same can be said of a lot of Texan conservatives (which, again, isn't really a thing RE: Texit). Actually citing people like that is an example of why many of us have a dim view of the feds. "Reps" like those two gents can get rekt, too.
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as it is with everything else Texas, you can’t sustain yourselves without outside help.
Incorrect, but you missed the point of why I said the electric grid debacle was an example of why we want the feds out of our business. I urge you to research it.
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provide you with energy to support your newly founded nation doesn’t sound like a good plan to me.
Yeah, you definitely missed my point earlier. Try again.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:18 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Fair enough. I'll reword.
I take issue with the second part of your framing. That isn't the argument. Most Texans who support secession are of the mind that the federal gov't is grossly incompetent, and has too many interests that run at direct cross purposes to Texan issues.
Either the federal government is honorable and just and therefore there's no need to secede, or the federal government is grossly incompetent and there is a need to secede.
quote:Fair enough. I'll reword.
Which is why that's not being suggested. Most Texans who support secession expect the feds to shite all over everything they can in the process. It's what they've done already to get us to this point.
[It] seems silly to suggest that the need to part is real but then think the feds won't continue to shite all over you in the process.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:22 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Either the federal government is honorable and just and therefore there's no need to secede, or the federal government is grossly incompetent and there is a need to secede.
Better. Don't forget the point about federal interests running at cross-purposes with Texan, though.
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seems silly to suggest that the need to part is real but then think the feds won't continue to shite all over you in the process.
No one's under such a silly delusion. Again, we expect federal shittiness to continue.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:27 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:I couldn't figure out how to frame it in just a couple of words, but I'm with you.
Better. Don't forget the point about federal interests running at cross-purposes with Texan, though.
quote:Well, my comment was in response to OP's position that the feds will or should honor the contributions to SSI and keep Medicare flowing. If you are no longer part of the US, and as much as I hate this administration, I see no reason why you'd be entitled to it.
No one's under such a silly delusion. Again, we expect federal shittiness to continue.
If I'm calling balls and strikes and we had a strong conservative administration, I'd feel the same way if Oregon decided to secede. I think it'd be hypocritical of me to say otherwise.
But all that said, I'm not opposed to TEXIT. I just don't see it happening.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:41 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Yeah, you definitely missed my point earlier.
No, I didn’t. I’m aware that Texans blame federal influence for your failures. The reality is Texas is not in a position to sustain themselves as things stand today.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:44 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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couldn't figure out how to frame it in just a couple of words, but I'm with you.
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my comment was in response to OP's position that the feds will or should honor the contributions to SSI and keep Medicare flowing. If you are no longer part of the US, and as much as I hate this administration, I see no reason why you'd be entitled to it.
Understood. All of that would likely depend on how amicable the split is/isn't. Good faith, benefits likely continue or are shared in the long run. Bad faith, obviously not.
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not opposed to TEXIT. I just don't see it happening.
It's a long shot, but also not an impossibility. We'll see how public opinion evolves going forward.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:45 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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I’m aware that Texans blame federal influence for your failures.
Missed it again.
Look, we're done here. You have an axe to grind. I'll leave you to it
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:46 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Missed it again.
Ok. It appears you’re not as informed as you think you are.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:48 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
Incorrect. But like I said, we're done. Impasse has clearly been reached.
You may have the last word here, if you wish
You may have the last word here, if you wish
Posted on 8/5/22 at 12:50 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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I’m aware that Texans blame federal influence for your failures.
We don’t place the blame on them wholly.
But their top-down environmental policies and unreasonable checkpoints played a big role in what happened.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 1:25 pm to EKG
Both Congress and the bureaucracy need to be dispersed around the nation where they are more connected to the people who elect them and pay them. The bureaucracy needs to be stripped own to its essentials with the rest melted away.
Think of it as a security measure. In these days of WMD's, it is best not to have to face a "Designated Survivor" kind of scenario.
Think of it as a security measure. In these days of WMD's, it is best not to have to face a "Designated Survivor" kind of scenario.
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