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The entire “clearance issue” could be an excellent learning opportunity

Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:09 am
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48948 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:09 am
I was under the impression that almost all top secret intel was “need to know” so obviously if you are no longer employed you have zero “need to know”

Everyone with top secret clearance should have a yearly review to see what they “need to know”

If it’s a retired or inactive person that needs to be brought in to consult then they can be brought up to date on a “need to know” basis
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:11 am to
That’s not exactly how it works. I have a TS clearance but am only privy to information that pertains to me. Having a clearance allows you I be “read in” on certain projects or operations you are specifically a part of. If you don’t have the clearance you can’t participate.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42633 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:20 am to
quote:

I was under the impression that almost all top secret intel was “need to know” so obviously if you are no longer employed you have zero “need to know”

Everyone with top secret clearance should have a yearly review to see what they “need to know”

If it’s a retired or inactive person that needs to be brought in to consult then they can be brought up to date on a “need to know” basis


This is how I view the situation also.

Don't know what all the blather and bother is about. I don't think any outgoing official should retain their prior security clearances - except in extraordinary circumstances and even then the 'need to know' should be vigorously applied.

And certainly what such a person does as a private citizen should be completely disassociated with what clearance level they once had. To advertise that "Remember, I have a Top Secret Clearance with Special Access" should be a totally unacceptable ethical breach.

Anyone with a pulse should know that an ex-Director of CIA would have had access to such information in their prior service. They shouldn't need to be reminded.

But that is all in a logical world - totally anti ethical to the DEM plantation of ignorance, greed, and despair.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48948 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:25 am to
quote:

That’s not exactly how it works. I have a TS clearance but am only privy to information that pertains to me. Having a clearance allows you I be “read in” on certain projects or operations you are specifically a part of. If you don’t have the clearance you can’t participate.


So what could a guy like Brennan look at?
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:26 am to
quote:

And certainly what such a person does as a private citizen should be completely disassociated with what clearance level they once had. To advertise that "Remember, I have a Top Secret Clearance with Special Access" should be a totally unacceptable ethical breach.


This would be like the Hatch Act which says people doing work in government can't make political statements in their official capacity.

It has been violated flagrantly in this administration (see Kellyanne Conway) and there are no public consequences.

People know who you are when you say stuff on TV, that's why they but you on TV. It's silly to think you can separate that.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34114 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:26 am to
quote:

That’s not exactly how it works. I have a TS clearance but am only privy to information that pertains to me.


I will concur with that. I have a TS clearance from both Active and Reserve billets, but my eyes saw only what I needed to see.

Having said that, I recently learned from a friend, she still had her clearance, but she separated 10 yrs ago.

For the last 5 years I've been waiting for notification that my clearance was revoked...still waiting
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:28 am to
quote:

So what could a guy like Brennan look at?


He's not "looking" at anything right now. His active clearance was for potential advice on Classified info. Now that possibility is gone.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73446 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:29 am to
quote:


So what could a guy like Brennan look at?
The theory being that as an former senior executive in the IC community, the current leadership could call him in for advice on a specific subject, thus he would be read back in (caught up on current facts) then he could much like a wise Latina give his priceless advice.

In the real world they use douche canoes like this guy as their unofficial leakers and spin meisters.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65121 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:30 am to
quote:

Everyone with top secret clearance should have a yearly review to see what they “need to know”


I hear you but that’s not how it works.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
9323 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:35 am to
I understand they keep the clearance so if they are needed after retiring, they can be recalled back in. But that's just not very smart. People's life situations could change after retiring or moving on....someone could become compromised- (this could be anything like an affair/blackmail, get in debt and needs money, etc). So, that being said, if you leave govt, you should lose the access and then if they need you to come back, you go through the process to get clearance again. It's common sense.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34114 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:36 am to
[quote]So what could a guy like Brennan look at?[/quote

Pretty sure Brennan is pissed because he still had people inside who were loyal to him, and keeping him " briefed " which would allow him to maneuver and manipulate, keeping himself one step ahead of prying eyes involved in this investigation.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51679 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:37 am to
quote:

But that is all in a logical world - totally anti ethical to the DEM plantation of ignorance, greed, and despair.


Meh. That's not just DEM foolishness, it's the government work environment in general. I can't tell you how many times my group has gone up against the "well this is just how we've always done it so we will keep doing it this way" mentality.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48948 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:37 am to
That’s why I said should....
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73446 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:37 am to
I hear what you are saying but the problem is your TS is reviewed every five years anyway. Also the people that do your initial and recurring checks are way way behind. The number of people with TS is pretty large. We have had aircrew types waiting for nearly a year to get their TS.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73446 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:39 am to
quote:

Pretty sure Brennan is pissed because he still had people inside who were loyal to him, and keeping him " briefed " which would allow him to maneuver and manipulate, keeping himself one step ahead of prying eyes involved in this investigation.

Those same people will verbally brief him versus him having the ability to go read data, you can count on that.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67488 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:39 am to
quote:

That’s not exactly how it works. I have a TS clearance but am only privy to information that pertains to me. Having a clearance allows you I be “read in” on certain projects or operations you are specifically a part of.

Which is "need to know" so the OP was right.

quote:

If you don’t have the clearance you can’t participate

Correct
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:40 am to
quote:

People's life situations could change after retiring or moving on....someone could become compromised- (this could be anything like an affair/blackmail, get in debt and needs money, etc).


This is true for people STILL in their job. Insider threat investigators look into stuff like this regularly if it comes onto their radar.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67488 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:41 am to
quote:

So what could a guy like Brennan look at?

quote:

He's not "looking" at anything right now.

Prior to a couple of weeks ago you and everyone else would be shocked at what he was stilling "looking at" or "being told".
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
10947 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:42 am to
Definitely above your pay grade!

This smacks of allowing no dissension. It's how petty despots grow in power, it reeks of insecurity, and it's bad to juju to surround yourself with only yes men. His silencing the opposition and will only foster resentment and segregate his base even more from those moderate republicans and sympathetic independents which he needs to remain in office, be re-electable and govern in between.

This guy's clueless to the discourse he's fomenting as September draws near in an midterm election year.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65121 posts
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:43 am to
quote:

That’s why I said should....


It would not be practicable or necessary. When you have a TS clearance, you are read into the information you need to access for your job.
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