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The entire “clearance issue” could be an excellent learning opportunity
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:09 am
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:09 am
I was under the impression that almost all top secret intel was “need to know” so obviously if you are no longer employed you have zero “need to know”
Everyone with top secret clearance should have a yearly review to see what they “need to know”
If it’s a retired or inactive person that needs to be brought in to consult then they can be brought up to date on a “need to know” basis
Everyone with top secret clearance should have a yearly review to see what they “need to know”
If it’s a retired or inactive person that needs to be brought in to consult then they can be brought up to date on a “need to know” basis
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:11 am to Strannix
That’s not exactly how it works. I have a TS clearance but am only privy to information that pertains to me. Having a clearance allows you I be “read in” on certain projects or operations you are specifically a part of. If you don’t have the clearance you can’t participate.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:20 am to Strannix
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I was under the impression that almost all top secret intel was “need to know” so obviously if you are no longer employed you have zero “need to know”
Everyone with top secret clearance should have a yearly review to see what they “need to know”
If it’s a retired or inactive person that needs to be brought in to consult then they can be brought up to date on a “need to know” basis
This is how I view the situation also.
Don't know what all the blather and bother is about. I don't think any outgoing official should retain their prior security clearances - except in extraordinary circumstances and even then the 'need to know' should be vigorously applied.
And certainly what such a person does as a private citizen should be completely disassociated with what clearance level they once had. To advertise that "Remember, I have a Top Secret Clearance with Special Access" should be a totally unacceptable ethical breach.
Anyone with a pulse should know that an ex-Director of CIA would have had access to such information in their prior service. They shouldn't need to be reminded.
But that is all in a logical world - totally anti ethical to the DEM plantation of ignorance, greed, and despair.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:25 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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That’s not exactly how it works. I have a TS clearance but am only privy to information that pertains to me. Having a clearance allows you I be “read in” on certain projects or operations you are specifically a part of. If you don’t have the clearance you can’t participate.
So what could a guy like Brennan look at?
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:26 am to ChineseBandit58
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And certainly what such a person does as a private citizen should be completely disassociated with what clearance level they once had. To advertise that "Remember, I have a Top Secret Clearance with Special Access" should be a totally unacceptable ethical breach.
This would be like the Hatch Act which says people doing work in government can't make political statements in their official capacity.
It has been violated flagrantly in this administration (see Kellyanne Conway) and there are no public consequences.
People know who you are when you say stuff on TV, that's why they but you on TV. It's silly to think you can separate that.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:26 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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That’s not exactly how it works. I have a TS clearance but am only privy to information that pertains to me.
I will concur with that. I have a TS clearance from both Active and Reserve billets, but my eyes saw only what I needed to see.
Having said that, I recently learned from a friend, she still had her clearance, but she separated 10 yrs ago.
For the last 5 years I've been waiting for notification that my clearance was revoked...still waiting
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:28 am to Strannix
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So what could a guy like Brennan look at?
He's not "looking" at anything right now. His active clearance was for potential advice on Classified info. Now that possibility is gone.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:29 am to Strannix
quote:The theory being that as an former senior executive in the IC community, the current leadership could call him in for advice on a specific subject, thus he would be read back in (caught up on current facts) then he could much like a wise Latina give his priceless advice.
So what could a guy like Brennan look at?
In the real world they use douche canoes like this guy as their unofficial leakers and spin meisters.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:30 am to Strannix
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Everyone with top secret clearance should have a yearly review to see what they “need to know”
I hear you but that’s not how it works.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:35 am to Strannix
I understand they keep the clearance so if they are needed after retiring, they can be recalled back in. But that's just not very smart. People's life situations could change after retiring or moving on....someone could become compromised- (this could be anything like an affair/blackmail, get in debt and needs money, etc). So, that being said, if you leave govt, you should lose the access and then if they need you to come back, you go through the process to get clearance again. It's common sense.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:36 am to Jbird
[quote]So what could a guy like Brennan look at?[/quote
Pretty sure Brennan is pissed because he still had people inside who were loyal to him, and keeping him " briefed " which would allow him to maneuver and manipulate, keeping himself one step ahead of prying eyes involved in this investigation.
Pretty sure Brennan is pissed because he still had people inside who were loyal to him, and keeping him " briefed " which would allow him to maneuver and manipulate, keeping himself one step ahead of prying eyes involved in this investigation.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:37 am to ChineseBandit58
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But that is all in a logical world - totally anti ethical to the DEM plantation of ignorance, greed, and despair.
Meh. That's not just DEM foolishness, it's the government work environment in general. I can't tell you how many times my group has gone up against the "well this is just how we've always done it so we will keep doing it this way" mentality.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:37 am to RollTide1987
That’s why I said should....
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:37 am to TigerB8
I hear what you are saying but the problem is your TS is reviewed every five years anyway. Also the people that do your initial and recurring checks are way way behind. The number of people with TS is pretty large. We have had aircrew types waiting for nearly a year to get their TS.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:39 am to OchoDedos
quote:Those same people will verbally brief him versus him having the ability to go read data, you can count on that.
Pretty sure Brennan is pissed because he still had people inside who were loyal to him, and keeping him " briefed " which would allow him to maneuver and manipulate, keeping himself one step ahead of prying eyes involved in this investigation.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:39 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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That’s not exactly how it works. I have a TS clearance but am only privy to information that pertains to me. Having a clearance allows you I be “read in” on certain projects or operations you are specifically a part of.
Which is "need to know" so the OP was right.
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If you don’t have the clearance you can’t participate
Correct
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:40 am to TigerB8
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People's life situations could change after retiring or moving on....someone could become compromised- (this could be anything like an affair/blackmail, get in debt and needs money, etc).
This is true for people STILL in their job. Insider threat investigators look into stuff like this regularly if it comes onto their radar.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:41 am to tigerinDC09
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So what could a guy like Brennan look at?
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He's not "looking" at anything right now.
Prior to a couple of weeks ago you and everyone else would be shocked at what he was stilling "looking at" or "being told".
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:42 am to Strannix
Definitely above your pay grade!
This smacks of allowing no dissension. It's how petty despots grow in power, it reeks of insecurity, and it's bad to juju to surround yourself with only yes men. His silencing the opposition and will only foster resentment and segregate his base even more from those moderate republicans and sympathetic independents which he needs to remain in office, be re-electable and govern in between.
This guy's clueless to the discourse he's fomenting as September draws near in an midterm election year.
This smacks of allowing no dissension. It's how petty despots grow in power, it reeks of insecurity, and it's bad to juju to surround yourself with only yes men. His silencing the opposition and will only foster resentment and segregate his base even more from those moderate republicans and sympathetic independents which he needs to remain in office, be re-electable and govern in between.
This guy's clueless to the discourse he's fomenting as September draws near in an midterm election year.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 7:43 am to Strannix
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That’s why I said should....
It would not be practicable or necessary. When you have a TS clearance, you are read into the information you need to access for your job.
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