re: The entire “clearance issue” could be an excellent learning opportunity

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So, what you're saying, is guys like Brennan were getting classified info (even if there was no need to know) then passing that info to moles in the media.

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Correct, how many times have you seen assholes like Brennan on TV as "former" super military man or NSA or CIA talking about the airstrike on an aspirin factory, talking about their sauces. Then go on to tell you the tactics the game plan and then what to likely occur next etc.

For God sakes, having a clearance does NOT mean you are able to view classified material. it merely means if someone determines you have a need to know, you are authorized to receive it. PERIOD.

Do yall really think that having a security clearance means you can just head on to your local government building and demand to see anything that is classified?

And yes, the argument that some of his allies in government now were authorizing him to see classified material is valid, BUT that could have been countermanded by Trump "don't let Clapper see any classified intel" and his clearance is irrelevant.

Trump and Clapper both made a big deal out of nothing here, and the media went along with it

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This is correct at "our" level but guys like Brennan, Clapper, etc. at that level its a entirely different game; they see and know virtually everything (99% of the time bc their jobs dictate they have a need to know). The exceptions are "plausible deniability" shite.

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You're incorrect. Once you're out of government you have to be authorized to view classified intelligence, you don't just automatically get it, nor can you go into a government office and request to see it (well I guess you could but you would be laughed at )

I will guarantee you 100% that since Trump took office neither Clapper, nor Brennan lawfully received any classified intel.

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Once you're out of government

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I know this, I was talking about normal day to day shite that's why I said "99% of the time bc their jobs dictate they have a need to know"

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I will guarantee you 100% that since Trump took office neither Clapper, nor Brennan lawfully received any classified intel.

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I'd take that bet with you

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someone at least at an agency head level would have to okay a former government employee being allowed to see classified intel, that's the way it works

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Procedurally and legally this is correct.

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If anyone else okayed it, they weren't legally authorized to do so.

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Procedurally and legally this is correct.

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That's not to say some of Clapper's buddies weren't and aren't still sharing classified intel with him

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Like I said in another thread, people would be shocked at who's showing who what and who's viewing what......then again few would be shocked.....more like pissed off.

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So, unless you believe, for example, that Trump's own CIA Director has been authorizing Clapper seeing classified intel, it hasn't been happening legally..

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I never anything about any of it being legal, I just said it was happening A LOT!

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I was under the impression that almost all top secret intel was “need to know” so obviously if you are no longer employed you have zero “need to know”

Everyone with top secret clearance should have a yearly review to see what they “need to know”

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to put it simply, access to any particular material requires both a sufficient clearance AND the need to know, as deemed by the authority responsible for the security of the material

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Can you tell us about the aliens?

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The illegal ones from Mexico, Central 'Merica and Africa? Sure; whattaya want to know?

Lessons-learned should begin with the screening process which allowed clearance granted to what more than enough evidence indicated is a loose cannon.

But then who could have foreseen problems arising from a muslim sympathizer appointing another muslim sympathizer/apologist to actually head one of our "security" agencies.

Only with this guy, we got lagniappe in that he was also a constituent and enthusiastic supporter of presidential aspirant Gus Hall.

Security clearance? How was he ever allowed into any gov'tal position of trust, much less that appointment.