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re: The elephant in the room regarding boasberg/venezuelan gangs.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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This irrationality is like the people who melt when the Supreme Court makes a ruling that the rights of a terrible person who clearly committed terrible crimes were violated.
When courts are discussing the limits of governmental power, the underlying case/merits often include bad people.
Or maybe they just believe that the government isn't limited when it comes to Venezuelan gang members committing crimes in the United States.
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
I understand your message, even though a lot of the posters don't, but do you think that the judge went overboard when he demanded that the attorneys somehow get someone to contact the airplanes and tell them to turn around. The fact that it may not have been possible in the time frame involved seems to be not relevant to this judge, which is why the ruling seems to be somewhat extreme. Who is he going to hold in contempt? The attorneys who themselves don't have the ability to call back an airplane? The President? The Justice Department?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Wait, what irrationality?
This irrationality
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:10 am to imjustafatkid
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By defending people who aren't Americans and therefore have no right to American civil liberties.
Well you're just talking nonsense now. That statement is objectively false.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 10:11 am
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:12 am to Hodag
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Not sure what you are specifically melting about.
Explaining irrationality to decrease emotionality is the literal opposite of a melt
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But the post you are responding to stated that there is a group of radical leftwing lawyers assembled to immediately challenge every action Trump takes in order to interfere/overthrow his administration by bogging them down with useless lawfare.
Are you pretending this does not exist?
I think you created a very framed set of "facts"
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
We'll lock them all in your house with you then.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:13 am to troyt37
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Or maybe they just believe that the government isn't limited when it comes to Venezuelan gang members committing crimes in the United States.
Even then, the conversation is on those limits and not the gang members. The nature of the gang members is wholly irrelevant to the legal discussion of the limitations (or lack thereof) of the government.
Trying to spin discussing the limitations of government as "supporting terrorists" is the lowest level of emotional dishonest rhetoric.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:19 am to dinosaur
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t, but do you think that the judge went overboard when he demanded that the attorneys somehow get someone to contact the airplanes and tell them to turn around.
I wouldn't want to be the attorney explaining to a judge why that wasn't done, unless this was my final case before retirement
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The fact that it may not have been possible in the time frame involved seems to be not relevant to this judge, which is why the ruling seems to be somewhat extreme
Well, IIRC, the admin is now not giving any information due to "national security", which is doubling down. If they're right, not a big deal but if they're wrong? It's a very big deal.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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"national security", which is doubling down. If they're right, not a big deal but if they're wrong? It's a very big deal.
National security is a matter of opinion. The Trump admin. has stated that it is in fact a matter of "national security" which is their opinion. When does a judge get to decide that his opinion is that it is not? This will never fly.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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Even then, the conversation is on those limits and not the gang members. The nature of the gang members is wholly irrelevant to the legal discussion of the limitations (or lack thereof) of the government.
Limitations of the government are found in the Bill of Rights, which is a contract between the government and the states and citizens of the United States. Which is why it had to be ratified by those states in order for it to take effect. Foreign actors found in this country illegally have no claim to the limitations of government reserved to the citizens of the United States.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:26 am to SDVTiger
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This is why Orange is forcing the auto pen to go to the courts If they rule in Favor of Biden, Orange can just pardon his entire cabinet and they can ignore everyone for the next 4yrs and beyond
This is awesome
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:26 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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But there are person(s) out there who are so eaten up with politics that their first inclination is to read the story and say “how can we stop this?” These people quite literally weren’t even phased by the details of who exactly was on the planes (rapists, killers, etc). They would rather make the community less safe as long as djt is stymied.
They are mentally I’ll, TDS
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well you're just talking nonsense now.
I'll take your word for it. You're definitely the authority on talking nonsense.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:28 am to Warboo
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. The Trump admin. has stated that it is in fact a matter of "national security" which is their opinion. When does a judge get to decide that his opinion is that it is not?
Judge ruling whether government "opinion" over their legal authority is specifically their job and Constitutional role.
The Biden admin had the opinion that they could forgive student loans via the CARES act, for a recent example.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:29 am to troyt37
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Limitations of the government are found in the Bill of Rights
The entire Constitution is a limit on government.
In this specific instance, Congress granted limited statutory authority. The Executive is limited to this specific and limited authority.
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Foreign actors found in this country illegally have no claim to the limitations of government reserved to the citizens of the United States.
Objectively false statement.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:30 am to imjustafatkid
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I'll take your word for it. You're definitely the authority on talking nonsense.
Some rights exist for all persons in the US, legally or not.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:31 am to Vacherie Saint
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You don’t give the WH legal team the benefit of the doubt, but you see a judge (who has a COI problem.. shocker) blocking the deportation of criminal illegal aliens and immediately assume the law is on his side. How many of Obama’s deportations did he try to block?
SFP:
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Biden admin had the opinion that they could forgive student loans via the CARES act, for a recent example.
Forgiving student loans and national security are not in the same realm. The idea that a district judge can with his opinion relegate what is or what is not a matter of national security is absurd.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
Yes I would not like to be that attorney, and this could turn out to be a very big deal.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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This irrationality is like the people who melt when the Supreme Court makes a ruling that the rights of a terrible person who clearly committed terrible crimes were violated. When courts are discussing the limits of governmental power, the underlying case/merits often include bad people. That's why the merits are irrelevant to the legal discussion unfolding (despite this being impossible for certain people to separate due to emotions and partisan-based programming).
You can keep trying to gaslight, but you’ll never be John Adams…
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