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Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:28 am to Riverside
I guess it’s possible you don’t know any better.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:30 am to loogaroo
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It's what we knew all along. He cut off their gravy train and got paranoid.
In some instances yes. But mostly he cut off information between the CiC and other world leaders. Permanent Washington lives off of information and compartmentalizing that information. From that information they then can make moves to make money. With the lack of information Trump left them paralyzed.
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That whole town survives off of pedaling influence. It's all they know.
Yep. And influence is garnered by having the right information.
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It's why people are delusional to think anyone but Trump can change it.
I get the impression that RFK has the instincts to change it but I don't believe he has the strength. Trump has the strength.
What we need is for RFK to run on an independent ticket...Trump v. Biden v. RFK. That will ensure a Trump victory. The Dems will not be able to cheat enough to overcome Trump and RFK.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:45 am to Decatur
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Are you intentionally misleading people?
No. I quoted "agency documents" because that is what I hear other people referring to as documents with national security information that the DOJ NSD is making the assumption that these documents do not fall under PRA, thus Trump is getting charged under USC 793 and the espionage act.
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 9:46 am
Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:49 am to GumboPot
NARA refused to take possession of the documents, so how could they know what were in the boxes?
LINK
Having never reviewed the boxes, how did NARA know Trump had these letters or any "state secrets"? IF they did somehow know and refused to take possession of the boxes forcing Trump to store them..... sounds like a set up.
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The fact that the National Archives and Record Administration refused to take custody of the documents upon the end of the White House tenure, combined with the fact the NARA dumped those documents in the parking lot of the White House for Trump to deal with, is a direct statement the bureaucracy was telling President Trump these are your records.
LINK
Having never reviewed the boxes, how did NARA know Trump had these letters or any "state secrets"? IF they did somehow know and refused to take possession of the boxes forcing Trump to store them..... sounds like a set up.
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President Trump did not turn over the letter left to him by President Obama, nor did President Trump turn over the 27 letters exchanged between himself and North Korea Chairman Kim Jong-un. NARA was looking for these along with other documents pertaining to President Trump engaging in discussions with other foreign leaders, and NARA was angry about the perceived lack of respect shown by Trump toward their endeavor.
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 9:52 am to lake chuck fan
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Having never reviewed the boxes, how did NARA know Trump had these letters or any "state secrets"?
Setup.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:02 am to GumboPot
Agency records are defined in the PRA. DOJ didn’t make that up. Regardless, PRA is not relevant to this prosecution. After he was no longer President, Trump was not authorized to retain documents that were marked classified/contained NDI.
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 10:03 am
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:19 am to Decatur
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not authorized to retain documents that were marked classified/contained NDI.
Can you explain why? How did he lose is security clearance?
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 10:43 am
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:32 am to GumboPot
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He he lose is security clearance?
Technically, he had no security clearance to lose. He was no longer President.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:35 am to GumboPot
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Having never reviewed the boxes, how did NARA know Trump had these letters or any "state secrets"?
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Setup.
If it was a setup, Trump played into it. All he had to do was turn over the documents. If he didn't, at the least he didn't have to conceal documents, obstruct the investigation, and lie to investigators. THOSE are the charges that are going to get him in the end.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:35 am to GumboPot
Patel made the distinction that the PRA supersedes the EA where potential contradictions between the two lie, because no exclusions were written into the PRA to dictate otherwise. If the authors of the PRA intended for older laws to supersede it, why aren’t those exclusions written into the act? That would be the biggest legislative frick up in the last 50 years.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:38 am to Decatur
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Technically, he had no security clearance to lose. He was no longer President.
Which other President was ever denied this status post-admin?
NBC News
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It was part of a long tradition of former presidents being consulted about, and granted access to, some of the nation's secrets.
Priess and other former intelligence officials say Joe Biden would be wise not to let that tradition continue in the case of Donald Trump.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:38 am to Decatur
That’s a lie and you know it. Obama had millions of documents, many classified until NARA assumed “control” of his storage sometime in late 2017. As did Bush, Clinton, Bush the elder, etc…
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Remember when Trump tried to yank clearance from former Obama IC hacks who were no longer working in government to stop the leaking problems, and the dems and their loyalist media threw a conniption fit that would make a toddler blush?
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:43 am to Vacherie Saint
Yes. Gumbo isn't the only person being deceitful about this whole saga. 
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:48 am to GumboPot
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GumboPot
This morning I've been catching up on writings at The Conservative Treehouse, man.... that guy is sharp! Some of it I have to read twice, he gets so deep into so many angles but does so in a way that the big picture is visible. Byway of your past post I found the site and am grateful. It's very informative. Much appreciated.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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Which other President was ever denied this status post-admin?
They got briefings. They did not have security clearances.
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Priess and other former intelligence officials say Joe Biden would be wise not to let that tradition continue in the case of Donald Trump.
100% very wise
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yes. Gumbo isn't the only person being deceitful about this whole saga.
Oh I’m being deceitful?
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:51 am to Decatur
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Technically, he had no security clearance to lose. He was no longer President.
Can you explain this to me. John Brennan did not lose is security clearance. Almost all career intel community employees don't lose their security clearance. It's why they are so valuable to the private sector once they leave the federal government. They work for government contractors that needed employees with security clearance (which is difficult to acquire) and former employees with already acquired security clearance are valuable to these government contractors because they do not have to put new employees through the clearance process which can take over a year.
So why would a president with the highest levels of security clearance possible lose that clearance once leaving office when career IC employees can maintain their security clearances once they leave the federal government?
Also notice, Judge Cannon ordered the Trump defense team to acquired security clearance to access the evidence. She did not order Trump. Why? Trump has the clearance. Just like Obama, GWB and Bill.
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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Gumbo isn't the only person being deceitful about this whole saga.
If I'm coming off as deceitful I do not mean it. This is unprecedented territory so my wording may be inaccurate. Correct me if I'm wrong especially on the procedural aspects of the law where apparently lawyers like you have expertise.
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