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re: The Covid 19 vax helps to cure cancer according to peer reviewed study
Posted on 10/27/25 at 10:42 am to Penrod
Posted on 10/27/25 at 10:42 am to Penrod
Nobody claims to have isolated gravity in a lab or presented alleged pictures of gravity that can be falsified. If they had you may have a good analogy but as it is it's faulty.
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Posted on 10/27/25 at 2:07 pm to Hognutz
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Nobody claims to have isolated gravity in a lab or presented alleged pictures of gravity that can be falsified. If they had you may have a good analogy but as it is it's faulty.
They HAVE isolated it; they just can’t prove it using the traditional method, or maybe not at all. But they have successfully developed several vaccines that have worked against viruses. THAT is the ultimate test.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 2:09 pm to lsupride87
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The Covid 19 vax helps to cure cancer
Hopefully someone informed you cancers arent all the same, there are hundreds and they react to different stimuli
This post was edited on 10/27/25 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:05 pm to Neutral Underground
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I read a peer studied review that horse semen cures cancer. I should start slurping that stuff down by the gallons..
Go for it.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:12 pm to Penrod
Again, they can call it isolation but, just as Grok said, not without logical fallacies and circular reasoning. That's not science nor proof. No virus has ever been truly isolated and that's a fact no matter how anyone feels.
I'll say it again, take the challenge with Mike, put forth whatever proof you think there is.
I'll say it again, take the challenge with Mike, put forth whatever proof you think there is.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:19 pm to Hognutz
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Again, they can call it isolation but, just as Grok said, not without logical fallacies and circular reasoning. That's not science nor proof. No virus has ever been truly isolated and that's a fact no matter how anyone feels.
You keep saying this over and over again, even though I wrote that I believed it in my first post.
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I'll say it again, take the challenge with Mike, put forth whatever proof you think there is.
What would we argue about? I read that link in the OP, and I wrote that it makes sense to me.
What you never address is how vaccines keep curing the viruses you say don’t exist but keep getting people sick. The primitive man - or hell, any four footed animal - knows not to step off a cliff, even though none of them could/can prove gravity exists. We know what will happen when people come in contact with other people who are carrying human contagious viruses; many will catch it and get sick. In the real world we can’t afford to let philosophical arguments about first principles govern our lives.
This post was edited on 10/27/25 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:20 pm to Penrod
You can also reach out to Dr. Samantha Bailey on her challenge. She another very knowledgeable doctor in New Zealand who will engage in respectful dialog.
The following experiments would need to be successfully completed before the viral theory can be deemed
factual:
1. a unique particle with the characteristics of a virus is purified from the tissues or fluids of a sick living
being. The purification method to be used is at the discretion of the virologists but electron micrographs must
be provided to confirm the successful purification of morphologically-identical alleged viral particles;
2. the purified particle is biochemically characterized for its protein components and genetic sequence;
3. the proteins are proven to be coded for by these same genetic sequences;
4. the purified viral particles alone, through a natural exposure route, are shown to cause identical sickness
in test subjects, by using valid controls;
5. particles must then be successfully re-isolated (through purification) from the test subject at 4 above, and
demonstrated to have exactly the same characteristics as the particles found in step 1.
Settling The Virus Debate
The following experiments would need to be successfully completed before the viral theory can be deemed
factual:
1. a unique particle with the characteristics of a virus is purified from the tissues or fluids of a sick living
being. The purification method to be used is at the discretion of the virologists but electron micrographs must
be provided to confirm the successful purification of morphologically-identical alleged viral particles;
2. the purified particle is biochemically characterized for its protein components and genetic sequence;
3. the proteins are proven to be coded for by these same genetic sequences;
4. the purified viral particles alone, through a natural exposure route, are shown to cause identical sickness
in test subjects, by using valid controls;
5. particles must then be successfully re-isolated (through purification) from the test subject at 4 above, and
demonstrated to have exactly the same characteristics as the particles found in step 1.
Settling The Virus Debate
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:23 pm to Hognutz
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You can also reach out to Dr. Samantha Bailey on her challenge.
What does Doctor Bailey think caused the pandemic?
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
His title seems to have been bait to get frothers biting. It showed extended survival, not cure and was just observational, but that's enough to put it in the queue for RCT's if it's not shut down due to ideological closed-mindedness.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:26 pm to lsupride87
lsupride almost broke the political board.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:53 pm to Penrod
No, we do not know any such thing. You say you get it, yet insist there is proof because vaccines work. Bad news, that's another false assertion when you dig deeper. Logic is not your strong suite apparently. Your argument is basically correlation does equal causation.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:56 pm to Hognutz
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No, we do not know any such thing. You say you get it, yet insist there is proof because vaccines work. Bad news, that's another false assertion when you dig deeper. Logic is not your strong suite apparently. Your argument is basically correlation does equal causation.
You are headed into nutty conspiracy theory territory.
See you!
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:58 pm to Hognutz
Even if you don't buy germ theory, which you should, there's still survival benefit from vaccines from health systems across the world in disease after disease. Maybe they improve the terrain. The study in the OP suggests that might be the case w/r/t cancer survival.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 5:05 pm to Penrod
There was no pandemic. If no fear campaign was launched following the
Event 201 nothing out of the ordinary would have followed.
Flu practically vanished in 2020, remember?
There was a well funded and coordinated fear propaganda campaign in lockstep worldwide. Same precautions etc..., hardly organic, hardly reached separately based on real science. Everything about it was manufactured. The virus was never isolated, the bogus testing never calibrated on the virus never isolated, the CDC/NIH death protocols hospitals were incentivized to strictly follow, and on and on...
All cause mortality went up in 2021 after the jabs rolled out.
Who do you know that died of covid at home? Who did you see fall out in the streets like we saw on the Wuhan propaganda vids?
I could go on but man it's so clear I just can't believe so many fell for bs.
I'm sure there were other factors like the psychosomatic effects and who knows what all but most definitely not a novel virus whatsoever at all.
Event 201 nothing out of the ordinary would have followed.
Flu practically vanished in 2020, remember?
There was a well funded and coordinated fear propaganda campaign in lockstep worldwide. Same precautions etc..., hardly organic, hardly reached separately based on real science. Everything about it was manufactured. The virus was never isolated, the bogus testing never calibrated on the virus never isolated, the CDC/NIH death protocols hospitals were incentivized to strictly follow, and on and on...
All cause mortality went up in 2021 after the jabs rolled out.
Who do you know that died of covid at home? Who did you see fall out in the streets like we saw on the Wuhan propaganda vids?
I could go on but man it's so clear I just can't believe so many fell for bs.
I'm sure there were other factors like the psychosomatic effects and who knows what all but most definitely not a novel virus whatsoever at all.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 5:07 pm to Hognutz
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If you're confident, take the virus challenge and share your evidence/proof with Mike Stone.
This is a ridiculous challenge. I could as easily say that you should go argue with any of the ten thousand epidemiologists who say viruses do exist. Neither of us would have a chance matched against someone so steeped in the subject.
I know that kuala bears exist. I can’t prove they exist - certainly not against some biologist steeped in phylums and species. I wouldn’t know where to begin. But after I lost that debate, kuala bears would still exist. So do viruses. A scientist saying that viruses can’t be proved to exist might be correct; one saying they don’t exist is a crank.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 5:09 pm to Hognutz
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All cause mortality went up in 2021 after the jabs rolled out.
Post all-cause-mortality from 2020.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 5:11 pm to lsupride87
Imagine being a healthy grown man and getting the Covid “vaccine”
Posted on 10/27/25 at 5:13 pm to Hognutz
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There was no pandemic. If no fear campaign was launched following the
Event 201 nothing out of the ordinary would have followed.
Flu practically vanished in 2020, remember?
There was a pandemic. I know too many medical people who saw it. It wasn’t nearly as dangerous as they made it out to be, but it certainly existed. Both my wife and I had covid right at the change of the year 2020 to 2021 and before the vax was out. The symptoms for each of us were unlike anything else we’d ever had - not terrible, but different.
All cause mortality could have stayed flat because people were not out and about getting murdered or in car accidents.
And of course flu was down because half the population was isolating.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 5:14 pm to Penrod
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I know that kuala bears exist. I can’t prove they exist - certainly not against some biologist steeped in phylums and species. I wouldn’t know where to begin. But after I lost that debate, kuala bears would still exist. So do viruses. A scientist saying that viruses can’t be proved to exist might be correct; one saying they don’t exist is a crank.
Yes, this is performative skepticism as a rhetorical schtick. Virologists do isolate and characterize viruses, sequence their genomes, and reproduce disease under controlled conditions. That’s been standard practice for decades, but modern virology doesn’t rely on 19th-century purification rituals like his expert demands. It uses overlapping lines of evidence - sequencing, microscopy, serology, culture systems, and direct visualization of infection in single cells. That’s how they identified SARS-2, track variants, and design vaccines.
When someone keeps demanding “one impossible experiment,” it’s usually not about learning, it’s about keeping doubt alive, so you can pill yourself into believing something silly.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 5:14 pm to Penrod
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All cause mortality could have stayed flat
Go look it up. It did not stay flat.
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