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re: The cost of Medicare

Posted on 2/9/25 at 12:36 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 12:36 pm to
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It would break AMA
It would be glorious.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 12:37 pm to
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When Medicare/Medicaid were first proposed, the AMA opposed it. They were against government intervention and the socialization of healthcare.

Didn't take doctors long to become prostitutes for the government dime once they realize the system is a limitless spigot of dollars.


AMA played a prominent role in convincing the nation to not go to socialized medicine, long ago, before Medicare came around. Then the 1965 Medicare Act was passed which made prices go up since demand went up, now we have inflation in the healthcare arena far higher than the rest of the economy.
Of course, the govt tries to then screw the doctors on reimbursement for everything from regular visits to nursing home care, so now the doctors and the healthcare entities are forced to issue grossly inflated bills so that at least a portion of the patients will cover the costs of the other patients.

AMA got political and now those morons campaign for single payer and other idiotic ideas. They don't worry about medical errors that much, however. Also, the AMA throttles med school graduate numbers to insure there is always a shortage of doctors and thus higher wages. This leads to physician burnout and prevents doctors from keeping up with the literature. Several studies have shown it takes well more than a decade for research advances to filter their way down to everyday patient care. All of this is adverse to patient safety.

AMA sucks.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
37134 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 12:42 pm to
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I'm an analyst at a large GA health system - not only has CMS reimbursement been going down, but the wRVUs per procedure have also changed dramatically since 2021. Doctors that struggled to meet their productivity threshold are now earning huge bonuses, and the additional CMS reimbursement is not even close to enough to cover the difference. The last few CMS table changes have been gargantuan projects for us just to keep things solvent.
I've been out of it a good while but I can remember getting almost weekly update "tapes" from CMS requiring our systems to be down for a couple of hours at night way too often. Pain in the arse!
Posted by canyon
MM23
Member since Dec 2003
21535 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 12:43 pm to
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Is that what Medicare paid though?


This is how it works. The facility and doctors can bill a million but Medicare may only pay 30k. I recently had back surgery and the bill was insane around 350k for all in. I think 23k or so was allowed.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 12:44 pm to
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1) if billed thru insurance the brace was $938 dollars of which my insurance paid $318 and i had to pay the balance.
2) if i paid cash the cost was $325 dollars
If that's as it sounds, and if it's their m.o., they're wide open to a major charge of insurance fraud.

Perhaps the law varies state-to-state, though I seriously doubt it.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 12:44 pm to
they’ll pay about 15-20% of that.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 12:55 pm to
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Also, the AMA throttles med school graduate numbers to insure there is always a shortage of doctors and thus higher wages
As much as I hate the AMA, they've consistently opposed this.

HRSA and CMS are major sources of funding for medical residency programs, and they are the bottleneck for adding more US training slots. The AMA to its credit, fought them on this. At one point, CMS (then Medicare) was even paying programs to shut residency slots down!
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
37134 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:01 pm to
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1) if billed thru insurance the brace was $938 dollars of which my insurance paid $318 and i had to pay the balance.
2) if i paid cash the cost was $325 dollars
That's illegal
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
31430 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:07 pm to
Medical industry is fleecing tf out of the government which is you and I who are ultimately paying this bill.

I am glad your mom was able to get her operation though.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:02 pm to
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That's illegal
Sounds that way to me too.
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
7949 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:07 pm to
“Here’s how it works” thanks dude my 20 years of dealing with billing for my patient care wasn’t sure lmao
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:12 pm to
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dealing with billing



This post was edited on 2/9/25 at 2:13 pm
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48123 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:14 pm to
Question - I'm admittedly ignorant on this level medical finance situations.

Who gets the bulk of the money if not the doctor or hospital?? is it another case where someone or some organization who 'facilitates the paper work" takes a big cut??
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
30917 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:14 pm to
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Social security needs to end right now.

Never going to happen.


Posted by AndyJ
Member since Jul 2008
3452 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:15 pm to
Yes

The surgeon did NOT collect 1% of that $550,000 (which would have been $5,500).

I am an ER doctor in BR (and Lafayette) and a friend came in and was admitted. He was not supposed to be sent a bill for my services but he did receive one (which I canceled). But his 48 hour admit was like $18,000 (maybe $21,000 I cant remember), but my canceled bill was like $145.

I am not arguing that you cannot be mad at me making $145. I am just saying what I made (or would have made) was a tiny piece of that crazy cost.
This post was edited on 2/9/25 at 2:24 pm
Posted by tigeryat
God's Country
Member since Oct 2005
2968 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:54 pm to
There is nothing “nonprofit” about nonprofit hospitals.
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
7949 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 3:09 pm to
It’s wild how terrible it all is when you see the behind the curtain shite
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 3:17 pm to
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Who gets the bulk of the money if not the doctor or hospital?? is it another case where someone or some organization who
Most simply is not paid.
Posted by Tr33fiddy
Hog Jaw, Arkansas (it exists)
Member since Aug 2023
1953 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 3:30 pm to
I know this is trashy but the info may help someone...

Medicare/Medicade has been denying surgeries for tobacco users. To qualify you have to pass a series of nicotine drug tests which means you can't substitute tobacco for nicotine aids.

A very based and honest nurse at my surgeons office instructed me to start lying and saying I don't use tobacco ever so I won't be denied and subjected to nicotine tests.

I would understand if we were talking about a lung transplant for a smoker or something but they are doing this for any procedure. I could have been denied back surgery just because I dip sometimes.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56178 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 3:35 pm to
I have a family member who does 55 and up communities, has a 1000 employees...has a jet, they live pretty well

the company also does end of life hospice care

"The amount of money spent to keep people alive another week or month is staggering"

They have a contract with Medicare- bill out 1 million per month
This post was edited on 2/9/25 at 3:36 pm
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