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The campaign to scare pro-TEXIT Texans has begun

Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:09 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:09 pm
A good sign.


Texas Nationalist Movement

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by TNM Staff
January 30, 2021

The political establishment and less-than-courageous Texans have begun to spin up a Texas-version of Project: Fear to discourage Texans from standing up for TEXIT. Here’s what they don’t want you to know.

Texans don’t scare. They also don’t take kindly to people who use fear as a manipulation tactic. The political establishment and their enablers are taking a page from the losing side of the Brexit debate and trying to use fear to discourage Texans from taking back their political, cultural, and economic destiny. Even worse, they’re using outright lies and ignorance to justify their position that Texans should even be able to vote on TEXIT.

It’s disgusting and the typical behavior of an abuser. They should be ashamed.

It is true that Texas is highly integrated with the United States. However, these political and economic ties are not so tight or intricately interwoven that it would be impossible to untangle them. In many instances, it would not be necessary to untangle them at all. There is no part of the relationship between Texas and the rest of the United States that could not be accomplished by utilizing existing State-level institutions and agencies, executing bilateral agreements between Texas and the United States, or by Texas signing onto multilateral international agreements that are already in place.

Is the issue trade? Countries, including the United States, trade with one another every hour of every day and have done so for all of recorded human history. The free trade agreements that the United States already has in place for 20 other countries around the world treat trade with them as though they were one of the States of the Union. Yet no one would argue that any of those countries are inseparable members of the federal Union. Texas could execute a free trade agreement with the United States and adopt the United States tariff schedule with the World Trade Organization for external trade, and no one would even notice the difference.

Is the issue currency? If Texas needed or wanted to, it could adopt the U.S. dollar as its official currency in an informal currency union like many other countries have done. We don’t need permission to do it. However, if Texas were so inclined and the United States were amenable, we could enter into an official currency union with the United States. Scotland proposed a similar move for itself and the United Kingdom ahead of its independence vote. This would be similar to the formal currency union that exists throughout the European Union.

Is the issue banking? Foreign banks are allowed to operate in the United States at this very moment with no trouble. That includes large retail banks like Compass and HSBC. In fact, more banks in Texas are State-chartered and State-regulated than those who are federally chartered and regulated.

Is the issue Social Security or other federal pension benefits? People live outside of the United States and collect their federal pensions, including Social Security, every month. The Social Security Administration has an entire section on its website and publishes numerous informational documents on this subject. Through totalization agreements with other countries, U.S. citizens work outside the United States and continue to pay into the United States Social Security system and vice versa.

Is the issue travel? Cars, planes, trucks, and trains move between the United States and other countries every day. Over 1 million people per day legally cross the border between the United States and Mexico for work or travel using only a “Border Crossing Card.” No passport needed. This is essentially no different than traveling between Texas and Oklahoma, Louisiana, or New Mexico.

Perhaps the concerns are more about having the money to continue certain functions of government. Not a problem. Simple arithmetic proves the ability of an independent Texas to fund a government at the same level that Texans are currently accustomed to if that’s what Texans want.

Texans currently pay, in all, federal and state taxes of $336 billion per year. This represents the total amount of revenue readily available to an independent Texas without increasing the financial burden on Texans one single cent. From that amount, subtract the amount spent by both the federal government and state government in Texas. $228 billion is the total amount of expenditures required to maintain every program, every job (both civilian and military), every department, every facility (including military bases) and fulfill every function (including current federal contract spending to Texas companies) provided by the federal and state governments. This level of government revenue would rank Texas 12th in the world for government revenue collected.

Somehow, since 1945, 140 new, formerly dependent countries have been able to “make it” as independent, self-governing nation-states. The unspoken assertion is that, to be able to do anything that Texas would have to do as an independent nation, it must be a part of the United States. The implication is that Texas, and Texans, aren’t as good, as smart, or as capable as other nations.

This requires them to ignore the truth about how Texas stacks up against other self-governing countries in the world. In every category in which nation-states are traditionally compared, Texas overperforms.

- Texas has the 10th largest economy in the world.
- Texas ranks 40th in the world in size.
- Texas ranks 47th in the world in population.
- Texas ranks 40th in the world in the size of its labor force.
- Texas is a net global exporter ranking 22nd in the world and leading all other States in the United States.
- 93 percent of Texas exports are manufactured exports.
- Texas is the 12th largest technology exporter in the world.
- Texas ranks 19th in the world in the size of its active farms and ranches.
- Texas is the largest energy producer in the United States, accounting for more than half of the entire United States energy production and one-quarter of the refining capacity with over 26 petroleum refineries.
- Texas has the 7th largest coal reserves.
- Texas is the 6th largest producer of wind energy in the world.
- Texas has its own power grid.

These statistics, while impressive, don’t tell the whole story. Texas not only does well in spite of the federal government, Texas is already structurally capable of doing everything that is traditionally done by a national government. In Texas, you will also find a state-level analog for every single cabinet-level federal department.

Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:11 pm to
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Texas even has its own military. The Texas Military Department is composed of the three branches of the military in the State of Texas. These branches are the Texas Army National Guard, the Texas Air National Guard, and the Texas State Guard. All three branches are administered by the state adjutant general, an appointee of the governor of Texas, and fall under the command of the Texas governor. The State Guard, which is exclusively under the command of the governor, is divided into six army regiments, two air wings, three maritime regiments, and three medical battalions. The Texas Army National Guard consists of the 36th Infantry Division, 71st Troop Command, and the 176th Engineering Brigade. The Texas Air National Guard consists of the 149th Fighter Wing, 147th Attack Wing, and the 136th Airlift Wing.

Contrary to the opinion of some, Texas’ attachment to the federal system is not a special case. There was no union in recent history with more power aggregated into a central government than the Soviet Union. Within an even tighter integration and under extreme economic stress, its constituent republics were able to extract themselves and become fully functioning nation-states. If the United States has truly become more centrally controlled than the Soviet Union, then it is no longer the United States. It has become the United State and no longer represents the vision of its founders.

If those who believe that separation is too difficult are to be believed, and today it is too complicated, tomorrow it will be more so and the day after harder still. If this argument is true, then Texas is destined to fall ever deeper into the depths of the federal system until Texas is only a distant memory that exists in a history book.

It is a false argument and one that strikes counter to everything Texans have historically believed about themselves. It runs contrary to the reputation gained by Texans around the world. It is the same argument made by “helicopter parents” for why their children should still live at home well into their thirties. And it’s the excuse used by socially stunted adults, well into their thirties, as to why they still live with mommy and daddy.

Ultimately, Texans bristle at the suggestion that we simply aren’t good enough to govern ourselves. We reject the idea that independence can’t be done as we remember the old adage that, “If you want something done, tell a Texan that it can’t be done.”

The real question is this: Given all our natural advantages, if Texas can’t make it as an independent nation, then who can?

Read more FACTS about TEXIT here: https://tnm.me/texit
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
11706 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:14 pm to
I think they need to acquire strategic weapons to be a deterrent and preserve the peace from a tyrannical neighbor.

imho
Posted by Shamoan
Member since Feb 2019
9199 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:16 pm to
Looks like propaganda spread by a bunch of _ ___fill in whatever color ____ nationalists!


America is bad right? Why would anyone be forced to be a part of the genocidal machine that is America?



Well....we’re waiting........
Posted by RancherReb
MS
Member since Jan 2021
1052 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:18 pm to
Where was this “army” when millions of illegal poured across their border for the past 30 years?

Texas is all hat
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118761 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:19 pm to
Can y'all take Louisiana with you and just leave NOLA behind.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:28 pm to
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Where was this “army” when millions of illegal poured across their border for the past 30 years?

Muzzled and handcuffed by the federal government.
You can talk to Govs. Bush, Perry, and Abbott about that.
They’ll happily fill you in.

quote:

Perry Sending Guard Troops to the Border

Gov. Rick Perry announced Monday that he is sending up to 1,000 National Guard troops to help beef up security along the Texas-Mexico border. The operation will cost an estimated $12 million a month.

BY JAY ROOT JULY 21, 20144 PM


Gov. Rick Perry, flanked by State Rep. Dennis Bonnen, R-Angleton, and Texas Adjutant General John Nichols, announces the deployment of National Guard troops to the Texas border on July 21, 2014. Credit: Bob Daemmrich

Gov. Rick Perry, leaping again into the national spotlight on illegal immigration, announced Monday he is sending up to 1,000 National Guard troops to the Texas-Mexico border, where an influx of young Central Americans has overwhelmed the federal government.

Democrats blasted the decision as a political stunt by a governor with presidential ambitions. But Perry, who has the power to call up Guard troops to deal with a broad variety of crises, said Texas had to act because the federal government has offered nothing but “lip service and empty promises” while the border is overrun with illegal activity.

“I will not stand idly by while our citizens are under assault and little children from Central America are detained in squalor,” Perry told a packed press conference at the Texas Capitol. “We are too good a country for that to occur.”

Monday’s announcement marked the second time this month that Perry, who is considering another run for the White House in 2016, has thrust himself into the center of national debate about the crisis along border. He met with President Obama in Dallas on July 9, in part, to press his demands that the feds send — and pay for — a National Guard deployment.

Absent a federal activation, Perry said he acted on his own, meaning that Texans will pick up the $12-million-a-month tab authorities say the deployment will cost. The governor and other Republican elected officials said they would ask the federal government to pay for the mobilization.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
24786 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:30 pm to
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Texas ranks 19th in the world in the size of its active farms and ranches.

And after I move there (along with many others) I'd be fine if TX continued to import vegetables and other food from Mexico, and cut off states like California if they wanna do California things.

Also, if TX did adopt the $USD as their official currency, it wouldn't be long at all before the value of the Texas dollar was significantly greater than a New Mexico or Colorado dollar, though they're the same paper and print.
Posted by RancherReb
MS
Member since Jan 2021
1052 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:36 pm to
They never once even attempted to say they were going to get the guard on the border. They never asked DC.

I never heard regular Texans asking their state to do anything about it either. They were more worried about muh football and what not.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:40 pm to
That couldn’t be more incorrect.
But we know the drill now.
Repeatedly, we’ve learned that the best people to protect Texas borders are Texans.
This post was edited on 1/30/21 at 8:41 pm
Posted by RancherReb
MS
Member since Jan 2021
1052 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:48 pm to
Man I have been watching the border issue since the 90s. In amazement that we allowed so many into this country to come across the southern border even with Republicans at the helm. Ok, Perry May have acted like he wanted to do something, but it was short lived, similar to how Lindsey Graham acts surprised about an issue without ever following it up.

Our dumba&&e$ were sent to fight in the Middle East while our country was allowing millions of third worlders to just hop on over here into the US. You can’t make this up.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46508 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:55 pm to
I’m not scared of TEXIT, I just know it can’t work and won’t happen

I actually think it’d be a hilariously wild ride that I’d pay full price for admission to. I’m just not sure that when it ultimately failed that things wouldn’t end worse than they began.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 9:03 pm to
I have an immediate family member who is career US Coast Guard.
He’s been sent down there twice (Port of Brownsville, Sector Corpus Christi) over the past decade.
Their charge (from DHS) was to assist Border Patrol and to identify and disrupt narcotics smuggling.
Although acting law enforcement, both times his vessel boarding teams were told by fedgov to stand down, as proper security plan measures for port entry were, in essence, ruffling DC feathers.
This post was edited on 1/30/21 at 9:57 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 9:12 pm to
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I’m not scared of TEXIT

Of course you aren’t.
You’re one of the good guys.

Whether or not you support TEXIT, you recognize that referenda like these are meant to be decided by the people.
It’s those who say Texans don’t have the right to even vote on the issue (either because they believe I am not smart/responsible enough to make my own decisions, and/or because politicians know what’s best for me) who are starting to show their discomfiture with the movement.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80228 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 9:15 pm to
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It’s those who say Texans don’t have the right to even vote on the issue


You can vote on whatever you’d like to. But I’ve yet to see a convincing argument that the United States would be bound to recognize and abide by the results of that election.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 9:19 pm to
The U.S. will have little say in the matter.
That’s not bluster, it’s just the way it is.
This is a peaceful movement; if an overreaching U.S. government chooses to change that reality, the entire world (and 49 other U.S. states) will be watching.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47587 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 9:21 pm to
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those who say Texans don’t have the right to even vote on the issue (either because they believe I am not smart/responsible enough to make my own decisions, and/or because politicians know what’s best for me) who are starting to show their discomfiture with the movement.


they can vote on it, but good luck getting the other 49 states and other foreign nations to recognize it. It will be just like a kid declaring his backyard sovereign.

“That’s cute, Johnny”
This post was edited on 1/30/21 at 9:22 pm
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164137 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 9:22 pm to
The same thing was done to St George. Just like Brexit. No matter the size of the matter the opponents will act like your life is going to end if you go through with it.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 9:23 pm to
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I’m not scared of TEXIT, I just know it can’t work and won’t happen

I actually think it’d be a hilariously wild ride that I’d pay full price for admission to. I’m just not sure that when it ultimately failed that things wouldn’t end worse than they began.




Yes, the country will last forever, just like Rome

short sighted half wit

This thread must be nonserious since you are in it.

I think you are the same halfwit. For this being such a nonserious subject you are like Pavlov's fricking dog responding to the threads.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 9:26 pm to
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“That’s cute, Johnny”

More one-liners.
More insults.
More quips.



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