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The allure of the New World in the 17th century - religion or supper ?

Posted on 4/21/26 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
21936 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 12:56 pm
Freedom encompasses both, but here’s a take they may not have mentioned in school.

Also think about the efforts by modern globalists to villify beef cattle, push veganism and have us all eat bugs.



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The school textbooks tell you the settlers crossed the Atlantic for religious freedom. Some of them did, partly.

What the textbooks leave out is the thing that sits in the actual letters, in the sailors' accounts, in the merchant pamphlets circulating in English ports from the 1580s onwards: a major reason people came to America was the wild game.

Meat you could take. Meat nobody owned. Meat that walked into camp.

For a population legally separated from the animal for five hundred years, this was the whole pitch.

Consider what they were leaving. A family in a Devon cottage in 1618 eats pottage. Oats, barley, an onion, whatever greens grew near the back door. No meat in it this week. No meat in it last week. There will be meat in it on Christmas Day, God willing, if the chicken is still alive by then.

The deer in the forest at the end of the lane have been the king's property under the Forest Laws since 1066. Taking one is a hanging offence. The father has never taken one. His father never took one. The institutional memory of not taking one goes back five hundred and fifty-two years.


Then the stories arrive. From sailors. From ship's captains. From merchants returning through Bristol and Plymouth. The birds come in flocks that darken the sky for three days. Not an afternoon. Three days. Passenger pigeons in numbers later estimated at three to five billion in a single flock, making a sound early settlers compared to the roar of a river that refused to stop. A man with a net could take five hundred in an afternoon. The king of England had no claim on the sky over Massachusetts. The rivers, the captains said, ran so thick with salmon that the water appeared to boil. The deer walked into camp, looked at the fire, and were shot. The oysters on the Atlantic shore came the size of dinner plates, piled in reefs you could lean over the side of a boat to harvest. Turkeys weighing thirty pounds stood in clearings with the fearlessness of an animal that had never been hunted by anything on two legs. Bison herds on the plains took four hours to cross a ford.

And nobody, crucially, owned any of it. The father in Devon lies awake that night thinking about the sky going dark for three days. He is also thinking about religious freedom.

Theological persecution was real. The Mayflower passenger list included genuine dissenters. That was part of it. It was not, for most of them, the biggest part. The biggest part was that the animals in the captain's story belonged to nobody, and the family had been watching animals that belonged to somebody else walk past their cottage for twenty generations.

Between 1620 and 1640, roughly 20,000 people made the crossing. By 1700, 250,000. By 1900, fifty million Europeans had crossed, most of them peasants from cultures where meat had been restricted for centuries, most of them arriving within the first generation at a standard of eating their grandparents would not have believed.

A labourer in Pennsylvania in 1750 was eating more meat per week than an English nobleman had eaten in 1450. An Irish emigrant's grandchild in Boston in 1900, whose great-grandmother had starved in 1847 while Irish cattle were shipped past the coffin ships to English markets, was eating steak on a Tuesday and not thinking about it.


At the centre of the great migration was hunger. Specifically, hunger for meat. Enforced since 1066, reinforced by Enclosure for another four hundred years, reinforced by the quiet understanding that the venison belonged to the lord and the pottage belonged to you.

They crossed an ocean because, finally, you could go somewhere the deer walked into camp and the pigeons blocked out the sun and nobody had a legal claim on any of it.

You could eat like a lord without owing a lord anything. They crossed an ocean for that. And having got to it, they did not give it back.
This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 1:01 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70548 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 1:05 pm to
This reminds me: roughly a year ago I was out of work, and had been actively looking for a job for several months. My savings were all but gone, and my food budget stretched to the limit, barely a step above resorting to ramen, vienna sausages, and pb&j for every meal. I read an article about immigrants in the late nineteenth century who came to America from Europe because in America, they could afford to eat beef every day.

I thought of how my grandmother used to make brisket so often because it was a cheap cut of meat.

I asked myself when had been the last time I could afford beef. I couldn’t remember. It was at that point that I realized just how much poorer I was than any of my ancestors had been for multiple generations.
This post was edited on 4/21/26 at 1:06 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110973 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 1:09 pm to
I think I kinda dig the Pilgrims were just baws scoping out a new more productive deer lease narrative.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
21936 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 1:10 pm to
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17674 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 1:12 pm to
Yes. This is how game laws came about and how hunting for food became a sport, rather than a necessity in America.
Posted by LB84
Member since May 2016
4530 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 1:17 pm to
There isn't just one reason people got on rickety wooden ships to cross an ocean that took 6 to 8 weeks to cross. Landed in a place with no support system to start a life.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117599 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 1:30 pm to
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There isn't just one reason people got on rickety wooden ships to cross an ocean that took 6 to 8 weeks to cross. Landed in a place with no support system to start a life.


Well, the OP is about 1600 and by then things weren't so rough. Boat traffic to and from the new world was so thick that passengers waved to each other going in opposite directions.
The Cajuns first made the trip from France to Acadie around 1600 and eating meat wasn't the big reward, it was the fur on those animals. Europe was stuck with sheep wool for a long time and it was getting dull for the women. The abundance of fur bearing animals in the new world was prized and very profitable for shipment back to France and England.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102800 posts
Posted on 4/21/26 at 2:59 pm to
Good write up. And this is why the U.S. has such a big hunting culture even today.

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A labourer in Pennsylvania in 1750 was eating more meat per week than an English nobleman had eaten in 1450. An Irish emigrant's grandchild in Boston in 1900, whose great-grandmother had starved in 1847 while Irish cattle were shipped past the coffin ships to English markets, was eating steak on a Tuesday and not thinking about it.



This is all still true today just in a different way. The poor in America are overweight, live in a 2 or 3 bedroom home or apartment, own a couple of vehicles and everyone has a smartphone with internet access. There are middle to upper middle class in other developed nations that don’t have those things.

The fact that the upper middle class in the US can own a home, a vacation home or condo, hunting land, nice full size SUVs and countless items considered luxury elsewhere is pretty special and pretty much non existent any other part of the world.
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