re: The ACA is Working

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Define theft, and define middle class.

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This isn't necessary. You shouldn't be OK with any kind of theft from anyone.

Health care spending down?

Possibly because, after paying the premiums, people can't afford doctor visits?

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All I could see in your charts in terms of thresholds was the federal poverty level. Which is less than 30k.

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Only chart 2 deals with income levels - the rest are system-wide.

And the ACA provides subsidies up to 400x poverty level, so about 97k for a family of 4.

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his isn't necessary. You shouldn't be OK with any kind of theft from anyone.

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To be clear, my assertion is more that he's using theft incorrectly, not that I'm okay with theft.

If he's going to define any tax as theft, then what's the point of having a government? Let's go full anarchy.

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Health care spending down?

Possibly because, after paying the premiums, people can't afford doctor visits?

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Nope, that's covered in one of the charts. Access to doctors (and visits) is not negatively impacted by a rise in insured.

Say bye-bye to the UnAffordible Healthcare Act bitch.

It was doomed from the start. Congrats on being one of the useful idiots that Gruber conned.

Bama are you going to deny this is a gigantic money transfer event.

The government just doesnt have a fricking subsidy cow it goes to every day on the farm.

Well the middle class is technically that cow.

Ugh

First, the vast majority of the newly insured are via Medicaid expansion, not because private insurance is somehow more "affordable" because it's not. Many physicians are leaving Medicaid participation because the reimbursement is so low. My orthopedic colleagues actually would suffer a net loss when they would care for Medicaid patients so they just quit participating. This is not an isolated incident.

Second, the first "A" in ACA is supposed to stand for affordable. This is an absolute lie for many middle class Americans. Triple digit percentage increases in premiums and ridiculously high deductibles hardly constitute affordable.

Third, DJT won largely because he ran on repealing the ACA. Your cherry picked facts won't save the ACA.

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Bill Clinton disagrees.

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Bill Clinton (and most Democrats) think the law needs tweaks. Republicans think the law needs to be nuked from orbit.

Slliiiiiiight difference.

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are you going to deny this is a gigantic money transfer event.

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It's an attempt to lower costs for everyone by providing means-based help to some. As we can see, lowering the uninsured rates helps those even with existing insurance overall (see the last chart).