re: Texas Nationalist Movement: Q&A transcript from tonight (2/4/21)

Your notes were great. Thanks for your time and effort to share this.

I didn’t move to Houston for the massage parlors.

Let’s ride! Texit!!

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We can negotiate with Louisiana and Oklahoma

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....I’m listening...

I did a little reading and texas does not have an opt out provision unique to texas. And Justice Scalia did in fact issue an opinion that it is a sole function of the federal government to determine acts of separation not a state right.

Texas does have a right by agreeing to the union of texas and the us to subdivide into 5 individual states.

with that understanding, I would not want the Republican Party tied to what would be an illegal succession. The democrats are already gearing up for the next midterm election and presidential election smearing good republicans. I saw one of the Ted Cruz smear billboards today in Corpus Christi . Disinformation runs eternal and the billboard footnotes indicate Republican support.

the texas nationalist movement may just be 1, chasing windmills. 2, an opportunity for the DNC to weaken the texas Republican Party. or 3, a means of getting a large number of republicans signed up as secessionists for summary trial and imprissonment.

with the post election crap that has taken place including the illegitimate trial of a past president and the refusal of Supreme Court coward John Roberts , I think all three end points have equal probability.

Republican Party needs a whole lot of help not distractions

This is an idea whose time will not come:

The idea is most often raised by conservatives in the state who are angry over some kind of policy coming from the federal government — and the calls seem to become more frequent when a Democrat is occupying the White House. State Rep. Kyle Biedermann, R-Fredericksburg, filed a bill Tuesday to create a referendum election on whether Texans should create a joint legislative committee “to develop a plan for achieving Texas independence.”

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“It is now time that the People of Texas are allowed the right to decide their own future,” he said in a statement announcing the legislation.

The bill doesn’t appear to have much of a chance. And even if it did, experts say, Texas can’t just secede.

“The legality of seceding is problematic,” Eric McDaniel, associate professor of government at the University of Texas at Austin, told The Texas Tribune in 2016. “The Civil War played a very big role in establishing the power of the federal government and cementing that the federal government has the final say in these issues.

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How popular is the secession of Texas from the general population (edit) as a whole?

What percentage of the population in Texas actually want to secede? It's one thing to post something on a message board that leans heavily right-wing. It's another to convince enough people from different political or social factions to vote to leave the union.

Also, what will this do to the USA in terms of electoral college votes? This is not a Texas problem, but the GOP will absolutely collapse without the Texas base.

Any response would be appreciated and thank you for posting.

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Of course its partisan when trying to illegally succeed. Pounding sand does little to retrieve states right's and confidence in the federal government. texit seems like a Qanon misdirection

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I know next to nothing about Qanon; I therefore cannot comment on your comparison.

This is not an illegal movement.

As I said in my OP, many people feel a lack of control over their futures. That's not exclusive to a single political party. The federal system has not served anyone, and all communities are suffering (particularly the poorer ones). Again, the hammer from the federal government hits us all equally. I'm an active member of the TNM, and I can tell you that our members/TEXIT supporters represent all walks of life and all political affiliations.

I'm more than willing to have a discussion about issues; but arguing the same points just for the sake of doing so is pointless for everyone.

Take care.

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How popular is the secession of Texas from the general population (edit) as a whole?

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I actually addressed this in my OP. Right now, we just don't know.

In 2009, Research 2000 conducted a poll of Texans and asked them this question: “Do you think Texas would be better off as an independent nation or as part of the United States of America?”

The results were trumpeted to the media and parroted by numerous media outlets. “Only 35% of the 600 Texans surveyed believed that Texas would be better off as an independent nation.” However, a left-leaning publication did something that most media outlets did not: They looked at the actual results and caught something that no other media outlet bothered to check.

“The Research 2000 Texas Poll was conducted from April 20 through April 22, 2009. A total of 600 likely voters who vote regularly in state elections were interviewed statewide by telephone. The poll was 39% Republican, 33% Democrat, and 28% independent.”

Looking at the breakdown by political affiliation changed the landscape. 48% of Republicans, 40% of independent voters, and 15% of Democrats believed that Texans would benefit from independence. The numerical breakdown matters, especially in a state where Republicans have a lock on every statewide office and where Independents claim their electoral independence but typically vote for Republican candidates.

The percentages broken down by political affiliation weren’t the only earth-shattering information in the poll. Also buried in that statement was the real key to unlocking the real impact of the survey. The respondents were likely voters who also regularly vote.

However, one poll does not make a trend. In 2014, a Reuters/IPSOS poll asked a slightly different question. Rather than asking a question about whether Texans felt they would be better off under the flag of independence, respondents were asked if they felt Texas should leave the Union. The difference between the two questions is very important. The Research 2000 poll was a question about perceived benefit. The Reuters/IPSOS question was a question of political will. The results, again broken down by political affiliation, showed 54% of Republicans, 49% of independent voters, and 35% of Democrats favored an independent Texas.

While the political trend obvious in these two polls is the growth of support for TEXIT and the strengthening of the attitudes of the voters, what goes virtually unnoticed by pundits is what these numbers look like in reality. When these percentages are overlaid with the actual voting patterns of Texans in statewide races, support for TEXIT, on average, polls anywhere from 6 to 10 percentage points higher than those who want to stay in the Union.

In addition, the depth and diversity of Texans in favor of independence would be the dream of a politician. The support of a majority of Republicans, nearly half of independents, and a substantial percentage of Democrats is enough to get anyone elected in Texas at any level. In short, if TEXIT were a political candidate, it could get elected to any statewide elected office.

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Also, what will this do to the USA in terms of electoral college votes? This is not a Texas problem, but the GOP will absolutely collapse without the Texas base.

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I can't answer that.
Obviously, Texas is a red state, and its absence would be felt by conservatives in the US.