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re: Teacher Pay Raises
Posted on 10/28/19 at 6:35 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 10/28/19 at 6:35 pm to LSUFanHouston
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And there it is.
Well. I mean. Why would it even be reasonable?
I see no reason why I should get arse raped on taxes to REDUCE the quality of my order children's education.
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Posted on 10/28/19 at 6:36 pm to SlidellCajun
What's funny is that it won't make a difference in the quality of education kids receive. Bad teachers won't change whether or not it's based on merit or across then board.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 6:37 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Major, dramatic increases in teacher pay will take investment from the community (i.e. taxes) but would you be willing to pay $1,000 more per year in property taxes to be able to utilize the public schools and save $6,000 per year (per student) in school tuition?
You don't understand. MY public schools are fine. I don't have to pay for private education. And. My property taxes are no worse than the shitty district.
My school's are just better because...... Well..... My neighbors are better.
But I'll be damned if you'll raise my taxes to make my schools worse!
Posted on 10/28/19 at 7:29 pm to SlidellCajun
I’m highly effective. Bring on the raise!
That said, there are many issues with the way we are rated. So many factors out of our control. It’s like holding a doctor accountable (who prescribed the correct medicine), but the patient refuses to take it.
I have taught with the same motivation, strategies, etc for 6 years, but results vary. Class sizes go up every year. We desperately need more special education teachers and para professionals. Parental involvement varies, amount of special education students varies. We are told what to teach, not to skip anything though we may have found that lesson previously ineffective. We are told not to teach to a test, but all we hear from admin and all of our goals are based on state test, and funding is based on the test.
As highly effective, I make an extra $800 (one time bonus) before tax.
Lots of changes needed.
That said, there are many issues with the way we are rated. So many factors out of our control. It’s like holding a doctor accountable (who prescribed the correct medicine), but the patient refuses to take it.
I have taught with the same motivation, strategies, etc for 6 years, but results vary. Class sizes go up every year. We desperately need more special education teachers and para professionals. Parental involvement varies, amount of special education students varies. We are told what to teach, not to skip anything though we may have found that lesson previously ineffective. We are told not to teach to a test, but all we hear from admin and all of our goals are based on state test, and funding is based on the test.
As highly effective, I make an extra $800 (one time bonus) before tax.
Lots of changes needed.
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:09 am to ShortyRob
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This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 10:14 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:13 am to ShortyRob
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But I'll be damned if you'll raise my taxes to make my schools worse!
I don't understand this comment. How would raising taxes make your school worse?
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You don't understand. MY public schools are fine. I don't have to pay for private education
Fair enough. So maybe I'm having this discussion with the wrong person.
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My school's are just better because...... Well..... My neighbors are better.
I think the $64,000 question is this... can something (better teachers, higher paid teachers, better facilities, more access to technology, etc) help poorer districts make up for the fact that their neighbors aren't, well, better?
In NOLA, there are some charter schools that have more freedom to hire/fire/pay teachers, and in some of the really bad areas, the students there are making some strides. So maybe it CAN work. Maybe.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:00 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I don't understand this comment. How would raising taxes make your school worse?
Simple.
Good school districts are pretty much where the "good" people are. Those are also the people paying most of the taxes.
If, you need to give the teachers in shitty school districts absurd raises far beyond what teachers in my district make, the only way to do that is to tax ME and then, start trying to poach teachers from MY district.
Yeah. frick that.
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Fair enough. So maybe I'm having this discussion with the wrong person.
Perhaps. But the reality is, there are a LOT of good school districts. The shitty ones balance them out. And, frankly, if you put all the people in one room most concerned about shitty school districts, those people would likely live in the good districts.
Shitty districts are shitty because most of their adults don't give a frick.
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I think the $64,000 question is this... can something (better teachers, higher paid teachers, better facilities, more access to technology, etc) help poorer districts make up for the fact that their neighbors aren't, well, better?
This has been answered REPEATEDLY nationwide.
The answer is indisputably, "nope".
All you succeed in doing is spending money and building very pretty dens of failure.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:14 pm to SlidellCajun
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based on merit.
Who will establish the metrics?????? Other teachers!!!!!! I will say this , teachers get shat on by just about everyone. Oh we laud the dedicated selfless teachers that we hear about, but when it comes down to it we still don't want to give him/her a raise especially if it comes from our taxes. Parents shite on them and government shites on them if they have to enforce discipline .
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