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re: Tariffs on importers from China going to 25% Friday, apparently
Posted on 5/5/19 at 2:57 pm to Aubie Spr96
Posted on 5/5/19 at 2:57 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Our small gov’t Rs love protectionist tariffs (taxes).
This was not the case regarding Obamas steel tariffs.
Wonder why? I remember people posting about how much each job cost us then.
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 3:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I remember people posting about how much each job cost us then.
i don't remember that! would definitely enjoy a link to some of dat
Posted on 5/5/19 at 3:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The US consumer will still suffer. It's a de facto tax to prop up certain industry at the cost of everything else
Your short-sightedness on this is terrifying.
Your stance makes sense only if you see the tariffs as a permanent thing, not a temporary tool to bring China to the negotiation table.
We've had increased (and increasing) tariffs on China since January 2018 and not only has the economy not tanked, it's growing at a ridiculous pace. Your doom-and-gloom assessment doesn't take into account US consumers changing their buying habits nor US manufacturers ramping up to fill the void. Speaking of which, US steel production says to tell you and IB "hi".
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No. Short term individual industry is helped. Long term the consumer suffers. Prices will continue to rise.
Except they aren't. Inflation has been practically nothing while wages are quickly rising (especially at the lower end of the work force).
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Its vote buying, period
I guess trying to make a better domestic job-creation environment is indeed "vote buying".
Posted on 5/5/19 at 3:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Trade imbalances are a sign of increasing wealth
No, they are an indicator of shitty negotiations. The greater the imbalance, the shittier the negotiations. You always want to be exporting (read: selling) more than you are importing (read: buying).
A nation that relies on another nation for manufacturing is tacitly owned by that other nation.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 3:22 pm to Bard
now do producer prices for any steel or aluminum products for 2018
and do employment in primary metals manufacturing or iron/steel mills since 2014
multilateral deal is the only approach that isn't shortsighted
and do employment in primary metals manufacturing or iron/steel mills since 2014
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Your short-sightedness on this is terrifying.
multilateral deal is the only approach that isn't shortsighted
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 5/5/19 at 3:24 pm to Bard
You are badly mistaken.
If we can buy inputs cheaper than we can make them we should. It is basic economics.
If we can buy inputs cheaper than we can make them we should. It is basic economics.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 3:26 pm to 90proofprofessional
I’m so scared. 10’s of thousands will literally die on Friday if a fair deal for China isn’t made.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 3:28 pm to baobabtiger
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10’s of thousands will literally die on Friday if a fair deal for China isn’t made
Posted on 5/5/19 at 3:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Because Rs and Ds are like 3rd grade Alabama and Auburn fans. They both only care about beating the other one and have no guiding morals or philosophy to guide them. Their opinions change with the wind and who’s in office.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 3:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Why you choose to melt over something that barely
Posted on 5/5/19 at 3:46 pm to Jjdoc
China is relying on the Tom Donahue President of the US Chamber of Commerce and Republicans bought by the Chamber to push back on Trump and come through for China. US Chamber of Commerce is a mouthpiece for China.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 3:48 pm to I B Freeman
Why are China’s tariffs so high?
Posted on 5/5/19 at 3:49 pm to GumboPot
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Chamber of Commerce is a mouthpiece for China.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 4:05 pm to Bard
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they are an indicator of shitty negotiations.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 4:12 pm to GumboPot
Who cares? They only hurt the Chinese people.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:32 pm to Tesla
quote:no you don't. the left is telling us that tariffs are immoral and they don't care about ip theft. orange man bad
You have to look longer term
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:36 pm to Bard
quote:that's EXACTLY what i've been telling "muh fed" 90proof and ib. they say the tariffs are causing pain to certain businesses. well, there was ALREADY pain from the trade imbalance/ip theft. this is short term pain to alleviate the long term pain. ib doesn't want to look at the big picture
That's like saying the pain of getting a Tetanus shot is the downside to not getting Tetanus after stepping on a rusty nail
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:you are patently wrong
No. Short term individual industry is helped. Long term the consumer suffers
quote:you're quoting mises? you might as well quote that jackass Robert Reich
Tariffs are always bad
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:44 pm to bfniii
here for the bnfii melt
Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:45 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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There are lots of actual taxes on Americans too. Why are tariffs worse than regular taxes?
Because they are way higher and on top of the income tax we already pay.
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