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Suspects in Khashoggi Case Had Ties to Saudi Crown Prince
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:29 pm
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ISTANBUL — One of the suspects identified by Turkey in the disappearance of the Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi was a frequent companion of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman — seen disembarking from airplanes with him in Paris and Madrid and photographed standing guard during his visits this year to Houston, Boston and the United Nations.
Three others are linked by witnesses and other records to the Saudi crown prince’s security detail.
A fifth is a forensic doctor who holds senior positions in the Saudi Interior Ministry and medical establishment, a figure of such stature that he could be directed only by a high-ranking Saudi authority.
If, as the Turkish authorities say, these men were present at the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul where Mr. Khashoggi disappeared on Oct. 2, they might provide a direct link between what happened and Prince Mohammed. That would undercut any suggestion that Mr. Khashoggi died in a rogue operation unsanctioned by the crown prince. Their connection to him could also make it more difficult for the White House and Congress to accept such an explanation.
How much blame for Mr. Khashoggi’s disappearance or death settles on the 33-year-old crown prince has become a decisive factor in his standing in the eyes of the West and within the royal family.
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The royal court was expected to acknowledge that Mr. Khashoggi was killed in the consulate, and to blame a rogue operation conducted without the direct knowledge of the crown prince, according to a person familiar with the Saudi plans. The Saudis, this person said, will hold accountable an intelligence official who received approval from the crown prince to capture and interrogate Mr. Khashoggi but ended up killing him instead.
On Monday, after speaking with King Salman, President Trump floated the possibility that Mr. Khashoggi was the victim of “rogue killers.” And on Tuesday, he came to the defense of Prince Mohammed, telling The Associated Press that the presumption of a Saudi plot was an example of “you’re guilty until proven innocent.”
But such explanations would run up against a host of hard-to-explain obstacles.
The suspects’ positions in the Saudi government and the links of several to the crown prince could make it more difficult to absolve him of responsibility. And the presence of a forensic doctor who specializes in autopsies suggests the operation may have had a lethal intent from the start.
Turkish officials have said they possess evidence that a team of 15 Saudi agents flew into Istanbul on Oct. 2, assassinated Mr. Khashoggi, dismembered his body with a bone saw they had brought for the purpose, and flew out the same day. They said Mr. Khashoggi was killed within two hours of his arrival at the consulate. That timeline would hardly have allowed time for an interrogation to go awry.
Turkish officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss confidential intelligence, have said that all 15 suspects are Saudi security officers, intelligence agents or government employees.
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The New York Times has confirmed independently that at least nine of the 15 worked for the Saudi security services, military or other government ministries.
The Times gathered more information about the suspects using facial recognition software, publicly available records, social media profiles, a database of Saudi cellphone numbers, Saudi news reports, leaked Saudi government documents and in some cases the accounts of witnesses in Saudi Arabia and countries the crown prince has visited.
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This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:32 pm to Decatur
The Turks are saying that Saudis tortured him for seven minutes before dismembering his body. He was apparently still alive at that point.
The rogue operation claim is implausible.
That’s not how the Saudis work. It’s a kingdom built around family, personal relationships, and patrionage.
People don’t get creative.
The rogue operation claim is implausible.
That’s not how the Saudis work. It’s a kingdom built around family, personal relationships, and patrionage.
People don’t get creative.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:33 pm to Decatur
Yeah...joined at the hip.
I don't fricking care. This "journalist" has some shady history and if a US head of state can off a citizen the head of the KSA can do the same to a Saudi citizen.
I don't fricking care. This "journalist" has some shady history and if a US head of state can off a citizen the head of the KSA can do the same to a Saudi citizen.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:33 pm to Decatur
quote:But...How many degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon? This is the real question!
One of the suspects identified by Turkey in the disappearance of the Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi was a frequent companion of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:34 pm to Decatur
Fight terrorism by allying ourselves with those funding radical Sunni terrorism around the globe!
-American political establishment
-American political establishment
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:35 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:
The Turks are saying that Saudis tortured him for seven minutes
Pansy.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:35 pm to Decatur
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two hours of his arrival at the consulate. That timeline would hardly have allowed time for an interrogation to go awry.
You know the problem with the failing New York times being a shite gossip rag is even with they have a seemingly decent article that could possibly be accurately sourced, they have to throw in inane nonsense that puts a stain of stupid on the whole thing.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:35 pm to Decatur
Wasn’t this guy a spook for the Muslim brotherhood?? I’m sooooo sorry it ended badly for him
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:36 pm to udtiger
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I don't fricking care. This "journalist" has some shady history and if a US head of state can off a citizen the head of the KSA can do the same to a Saudi citizen.
We’re better than that.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:37 pm to Lima Whiskey
These Turks are the same that kept the christian pastor locked away for two years for spreading Christianity?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:37 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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Wasn’t this guy a spook for the Muslim brotherhood?? I’m sooooo sorry it ended badly for him
He disagreed with MBS and went into exile.
Worse yet, he wrote about his disagreements.
This is the punishment for publicly breaking with the king in Saudi Arabia.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:38 pm to Lima Whiskey
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We’re better than that.
I eagerly await Obama's indictment.
Also, Trump did himself a huge service by announcing the USA would not be imposing its customs and moral on other countries.
For good or for ill, the USA has an economic and strategic relationship with the KSA and Trump is not going to be bullied into fricking that up.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:39 pm to Lima Whiskey
So the Saudis killed a saudi.
Who cares
Who cares
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:40 pm to CptBengal
quote:
the Saudis killed a saudi.
aND where was Trump?
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:41 pm to CptBengal
quote:
Who cares
exactly.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:41 pm to Decatur
I honestly do not care. If he was an American it would matter, but he’s not.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:43 pm to Decatur
Saudi killing Saudi in their embassy.
Interesting I guess for those who follow royal families.
How can we hurt Trump with this is what really matters.
Interesting I guess for those who follow royal families.
How can we hurt Trump with this is what really matters.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:45 pm to Decatur
Now we believe Turkey whom fabricated a coup so they could round up dissenters a little over a year ago and torture them to death because they disagreeded with Erdogan?
Not to give KSA a pass, but come on, man.
Not to give KSA a pass, but come on, man.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:45 pm to themunch
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These Turks are the same that kept the christian pastor locked away for two years for spreading Christianity?
The Turks are and Sauds have been sometime allies in Syria. But they’re at odds right now.
The Sauds tried to break Qatar last year, and the Turks intervened to stop it.
Both have been jockeying for control of the Middle East. The Saudis believe they have the right to run things, with their control over Mecca. Meanwhile Erdogan is hopped up in his neo Ottoman dream.
Erdogan is awful. He’s a religious hardliner who wants to drag Turkey backwards. But the Turks aren’t butchering people in their embassies, yet at least.
If MBS lost power because of this, it would be a good thing. His foreign policy has only worsened the situation in the region. We would be better off if they got out of Yemen, and stopped meddling in Syria.
If we’re going to make a point of this, it would be for two reasons, one we shouldn’t sell our soul to people like the Sauds. Two, their foreign policy creates instability and violence in the region.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:24 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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Wasn’t this guy a spook for the Muslim brotherhood
Apparently with ties to the clowns and mossad. Good riddance.
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