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re: Surprise Surprise-Study Finds Sun—not CO2—May Be Behind Global Warming

Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:11 pm to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:15 pm to
The solar minimum and maximum cycle repeats at the exact same rate for thousands of years.

Only a liberal could turn that into “climate change”. Meanwhile they don’t worry about china where everything in the world is actually manufactured.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:18 pm to
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Wait, you are telling me that the #1 source of energy for Earth that is 100x's our size


The Sun is slightly over 100x Earth's diameter (about 109, to be more precise). From a mass standpoint, it is about 1/3 of a million (330k) times the mass of the Earth. From a volume standpoint, over 1.25 million (probably closer to 1.3 million) Earths could fit inside the shell of the Sun.
Posted by ezride25
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:20 pm to
Is that why it’s always so hot I’m the summer?

Asking for a scientist.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:23 pm to
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don't get caught with your pants down saying humans aren't creating more water


Yep - should have left it out of my quote - was not part of my own point.

And I'd still think the water 'manufactured' by man is minuscule compared to just the oceans.

And I do recall that the rebuttal referenced the water cycle relative to ocean activity.

Anyway I'd still like to hear any explanation of why H2O is not vastly greater an influence on atmospheric heat retention than is CO2.

Just never made any sense to me from the git-go.

And I think the change to "climate-change" from "global-warming" was a way to deflect from that obvious conclusion. It is still global warming they are concerned about, regardless of their wordmanship to hide it.
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:26 pm to
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The Sun is slightly over 100x Earth's diameter (about 109, to be more precise). From a mass standpoint, it is about 1/3 of a million (330k) times the mass of the Earth. From a volume standpoint, over 1.25 million (probably closer to 1.3 million) Earths could fit inside the shell of the Sun.



My man is wicked smart. Gracias
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:28 pm to
Shock face gif

It always had to do with the sun. Weather events too.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:31 pm to
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H2O vapor orders of magnitude more effective as a greenhouse gas and there is several orders of magnitude more of it.



From a physics point of view, which is the natural point of view, the reason why water is the largest greenhouse gas is because it is the only constituent in our atmosphere that goes through all three phase changes...solid (snow), liquid (rain) and gas (water vapor)

The equation goes like this:

energy to heat up a solid + latent heat of melting (or freezing the other way) + energy to warm up the liquid + latent heat of vaporization (or fusion the other way) + whatever energy is left to heat up the vapor.

There is no other constituent in our atmosphere that can absorb energy like water. It's a huge energy sink.
Posted by ELVIS U
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:35 pm to
So if the Sun is about to drop us into another mini ice age, wouldn't it make sense to emit as much CO2 as possible to counter the effects?
Posted by Mahomeless
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:38 pm to
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Study Finds Sun—not CO2 May Be Behind Global Warming

Well shite, I made this deduction years ago. I must be a scientist.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:42 pm to
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From a physics point of view, which is the natural point of view, the reason why water is the largest greenhouse gas is because it is the only constituent in our atmosphere that goes through all three phase changes...solid (snow), liquid (rain) and gas (water vapor)




H2O is largely the energy buffer for the planet, functioning as a rudimentary sort of climate control with the cycle you laid out.

CO2 on the other hand, despite the alarmists' attempts to paint it as such, is NOT a pollutant. It is a trace atmospheric gas REQUIRED for life as we know it to exist on this planet. If anything, a little too little CO2 would be a much bigger problem than a little too much.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 5:36 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 3:36 pm to
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H2O is largely the energy buffer for the planet, functioning as a rudimentary sort of climate control with the cycle you laid out.
Exactly.
That's why deserts with bone dry atmosphere are hot in the day, but cool at night
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