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Supreme Court keeps revised Pennsylvania congressional map in place
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:56 pm
Fox News Link
Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of political gerrymandering across the country. It's wrong when either party uses this nonsense to maintain power. 13 of 18 seats in Pennsylvania are held by Republicans. Trump won the state by less than 1%. Most likely you'll see a 9-8 split after November which matches the overall electorate as it should.
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The U.S. Supreme Court Monday rejected a request from Pennsylvania GOP lawmakers to throw out a new congressional district map drawn by the state's highest court.
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The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania had ruled that a 2011 GOP-crafted district map violated the state constitution's guarantee of free and equal elections. The new map was handed down by the court last month.
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The pair of rulings makes it highly likely that this year's congressional elections in Pennsylvania will be conducted under district lines widely viewed as more favorable to Democrats than the 2011 map. Republicans had won 13 of the state's 18 congressional seats in the three elections where the old map was used.
Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of political gerrymandering across the country. It's wrong when either party uses this nonsense to maintain power. 13 of 18 seats in Pennsylvania are held by Republicans. Trump won the state by less than 1%. Most likely you'll see a 9-8 split after November which matches the overall electorate as it should.
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 3:56 pm to Haughton99
quote:Narrator: It was not
Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of political gerrymandering across the country.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:02 pm to Iosh
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Narrator: It was not
Maybe, maybe not. There are similar lawsuits around the country challenging congressional districts that are drawn to keep one party in power irregardless of the actual political leanings of the population.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:03 pm to Haughton99
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irregardless
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:04 pm to Haughton99
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Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of political gerrymandering across the country.
There's a bigger case out of Wisconsin in front of them now. I think they've already heard arguments last session.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:09 pm to Haughton99
The bigger issue regarding gerrymandering concerns court ordered majority black districts. But let's ignore that and pretend that the resulting ultra white districts are some sort of Republican plot.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:12 pm to shinerfan
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The bigger issue regarding gerrymandering concerns court ordered majority black districts. But let's ignore that and pretend that the resulting ultra white districts are some sort of Republican plot.
Nonsense. Why bring up race anyway? This is about party affiliation and parties building districts in a way that gives their party an unfair advantage. It's obviously happening in Pennsylvania and other states.
Party leaders could give a flying F what color you are, they only care about what party you vote for.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:18 pm to Haughton99
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This is about party affiliation and parties building districts in a way that gives their party an unfair advantage. It's obviously happening in Pennsylvania and other states.
Ultra white districts are the unintended consequence of court-ordered ultra black districts. Sorry that you can't see the obvious connection.
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Why bring up race anyway?
Because those court orders are at the root of what you're mischaracterizing as gerrymandering?
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:22 pm to Haughton99
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Nonsense. Why bring up race anyway?
uh
because race plays a very large part in drawing districts all over the US
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:22 pm to shinerfan
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Ultra white districts are the unintended consequence of court-ordered ultra black districts. Sorry that you can't see the obvious connection.
This is just false. These gerrymandered districts are the result of one party wanting an unfair share of the congressional seats in purple states. Look at the numbers.
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Because those court orders are at the root of what you're mischaracterizing as gerrymandering?
You can keep repeating this but it doesn't make it true.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:22 pm to shinerfan
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Because those court orders are at the root of what you're mischaracterizing as gerrymandering?
not in this case. don't think PA is under VRA review
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:23 pm to Haughton99
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You can keep repeating this but it doesn't make it true.
it is true in places like LA
it isn't true in places like PA
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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not in this case. don't think PA is under VRA review
You don't think concerns about VRA compliance play a role in redistricting all across the nation? A court order in one state rings out across the nation.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it is true in places like LA
I dunno I think you'd get about the same result from the "compact + county border" algorithm without the embarassment that is LA-2
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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uh
because race plays a very large part in drawing districts all over the US
Sure it does. The easiest way to do this political gerrymandering is to create districts in urban areas that are 90+% Democrat and have a high black population. That way you can spread spread the remaining Republican population into more districts in order to swing them in your favor. The VRA actually makes this type of nonsense easier for them to do.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:30 pm to Haughton99
I think the new Pennsylvania congressional delegation after the 2018 midterms will be 7 or 8 R and 9 or 10 D.
The Conor Lamb election is a bellweather. Trump is even more unpopular than I had imagined.
The Conor Lamb election is a bellweather. Trump is even more unpopular than I had imagined.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:31 pm to Iosh
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I dunno I think you'd get about the same result from the "compact + county border" algorithm without the embarassment that is LA-2
Can you expound?
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:32 pm to Iosh
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I dunno I think you'd get about the same result from the "compact + county border" algorithm without the embarassment that is LA-2
that district encompasses both of our major population centers
i 100% believe the DEMs could get 2 seats under the right circumstances if BR/Nola were split. it just might not be a lock to be a black guy. as it stands today, it's basically 100% lock to bet GOP except the Br/Nola conglomeration that is the 2nd
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think the blue NO district in that map would be pretty much a lock to be a black guy. I know the map says slightly above 50% but I think it's seriously underestimating the primary machine. The BR district wouldn't but it would take a pretty big wave to push it blue in the first place.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 3/19/18 at 4:37 pm to shinerfan
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Ultra white districts are the unintended consequence of court-ordered ultra black districts.
Ultra-black districts are not court ordered. Majority-minority districts came about because of the VRA, not a court decision. The provisions of the VRA have been abused by both parties over the years to gain advantages.
And I question how you're defining ultra in this instance. The district with the largest minority population in the country is only 66% minority. District 2 in Mississippi.
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