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Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:30 am to Lsut81
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If Trump can put it into place, why can't Biden reverse it?
This spawns a great conversation on a macro level about why Biden has rescinded certain Trump EOs, but not others...
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:45 am to VoxDawg
I'm ecstatic the liberals waited for this court to push the envelope on their pro death fascist communist agenda which led to reaffirming prayer 1st amendment, reaffirming states rights to determine abortion law with it ending the right to an abortion is constitutionally protected, and killing the EPA fascist environment agenda.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 9:46 am
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:47 am to anc
So what category did the epa decision fall under?
Good, bad, or unbelievably great?
Good, bad, or unbelievably great?
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:48 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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unbelievably great?
No hyperbole - this has the potential to curtail government overreach for the next hundred years.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:50 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Good, bad, or unbelievably great?
Good. We discussed it yesterday.
We knew that if the opinion was written by Roberts, it would probably be a middle-of-the-road win.
Discussion 1 - IF Roberts writes the opinion
Discussion 2 - What is a Compromise Decision
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:51 am to VoxDawg
So does it nullify car manufacturers impossible emission standards?
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 9:52 am
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:53 am to BuckyCheese
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I don't want any of them in, but to say one president can't change a previous EO doesn't seem correct.
But, you KNOW that the 3 liberal SCUMBAGS on this court (plus RBG) view any EO written by a Democrat President -- ESPECIALLY Black Jesus himself, Odumbf*ck -- to be a de facto Constitutional amendment and would rule that way.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:55 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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So what category did the epa decision fall under?
Good, bad, or unbelievably great?
This may be one of the most important decisions since federal bureaucratic agencies were created. This guts the power of the non-elected and agency overreach.
Congress will now be held accountable for their decisions instead of insulating themselves through the use of unelected bureaucratic agencies.
They want to battle things like climate change, they have to draft a bill, whip up the votes and get it passed; and not simply direct the EPA to make a new rule.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:56 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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EPA was by far the most consequential
As many of us discussed last week -- THIS was perhaps THE MOST IMPORTANT decision we've seen since at least Brown v. Board of Education. This decision actually affects EVERY American in their day-to-day lives. Hell, it affects every person on the f*cking planet.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 10:25 am
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:56 am to MMauler
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But, you KNOW that the 3 liberal SCUMBAGS on this court (plus RBG) view any EO written by a Democrat President -- ESPECIALLY Black Jesus himself, Odumbf*ck -- to be a de facto Constitutional amendment and would rule that way.
And that is NOT the way it is supposed to work.
You, by wanting the "right" justices to do that, are saying you want the SCOTUS to rule the country.
You really don't want that.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:58 am to Wednesday
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shite!! I’m driving!!
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:58 am to Herooftheday
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So does it nullify car manufacturers impossible emission standards?
You'll have to look at the underlying law to see if Congress specifically delegated this authority in the law itself rather than the EPA just taking over the ability to write the law.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:02 am to Herooftheday
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So does it nullify car manufacturers impossible emission standards?
You would think car manufacturers will be walking/ faxing their complaints as we speak but knowing today's corporate environment they may have already drank the Kool-aid.
The Keystone pipeline people should be first in line if they haven't filed already.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:02 am to MMauler
I'd have to do some research but I'm pretty sure the incremental standards the EPA has enforced over the decades have never been anything but numbers made up by the EPA.
The mandates for 50mpg fleet average? That didn't come from congress.
The mandates for 50mpg fleet average? That didn't come from congress.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:05 am to TigerAxeOK
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I mean, humans primarily exhale nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and unabsorbed oxygen. If we're literally producing carbon dioxide, it makes the act of breathing alone pollution, and a crime.
I'm sure liberals would LOVE to selectively enforce that one.
That's a simple truth.
The bigger point in this is that SCOTUS is basically saying (at least in my reading of it) that the EPA cannot regulate based on CO2 emissions because their own National Ambient Air Quality Standard (NAAQS) doesn't list CO2 as a pollutant.
And what is the entire "climate change" argument based on? CO2 being a pollutant.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:05 am to BuckyCheese
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And that is NOT the way it is supposed to work.
You, by wanting the "right" justices to do that, are saying you want the SCOTUS to rule the country.
You really don't want that.
By "YOU," do you mean ME?
I don't want that. I just want consistency. If one President's EO can be summarily erased by a succeeding President, then it should apply to every EO and every President.
A politicized court should not be able to come in an nitpick only on EOs that suit their political agendas. See the Dreamers EO for an example.
To me, EOs shouldn't even exists other than to do menial tasks like declaring some sort of non-national holiday. EOs should never have the effect of creating a law. Perhaps they can express an Administration's view of the law, but the EO must be based on the law itself -- like Trump's Remain to Mexico policy. But, another President could have a different interpretation of the law. The problem with erasing Trump's Return to Mexico policy is that we know that Biden is otherwise blatantly violating immigration law with his open borders policy.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:11 am to BuckyCheese
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I'd have to do some research but I'm pretty sure the incremental standards the EPA has enforced over the decades have never been anything but numbers made up by the EPA.
I'm not sure either. I suspect that you are correct. But, now, with the WVvEPA case, you will need to find the law that the rule or regulations is based on to see if Congress specifically authorized the rule or regulation OR if the agency has exceeded its authority. With the EPA, I suspect it's the latter, and I suspect it was mostly done in a Democrat administration.
We know for a fact that over the years, these alphabet soup agencies have just taken over the law making functions in an almost sua sponte fashion.
As I mentioned yesterday, you can almost tell exactly which rules or regulations go far beyond the agencies authority by simply looking at which rules and regulations change as soon as a new administration takes over. In most cases, these are politically motivated decisions that should never have been issued in the form of a rule or regulation.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:15 am to Zephyrius
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You would think car manufacturers will be walking/ faxing their complaints as we speak but knowing today's corporate environment they may have already drank the Kool-aid.
I would guess it's more of these industries being extorted and blackmailed to take these positions.
Every major corporation has government contracts and other forms of government welfare. Politicians, especially far left whackjob politicians and their sycophants, work behind the scenes letting these corporation know that if they don't tow the Deep State line, their businesses will suffer. Nothing is put in writing. Nothing is documented. It's just a behind the scenes corporate blackmail.
You don't really think all of these corporations are really for this diversity and equity bullsh!t, do you?
Posted on 6/30/22 at 10:24 am to MMauler
So who wants to bet that in July we will see a ton of cases against a variety of agencies to try and get the earliest rulings on the books regarding the breadth in which WV vs EPA can be used to strike down an agency regulation.
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