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re: Study Confirms Vaccine-Linked Myocarditis Deaths for First Time
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:20 pm to TGFN57
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:20 pm to TGFN57
Who are you? Quoting Asimov in relation to vaccines with less than 50% vaccine efficacy (meaning they shouldn’t have been approved for distribution) as if knowledge is on the side of a vaccine that likely shouldn’t have been approved.
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:23 pm to TGFN57
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Isaac Azimov nailed people like you and your proud to be stupid ilk.
If not listening to board certified md’s like the hack posting in this thread about getting an experimental medical treatment that does nothing to prevent the transmission or infection of a respiratory virus that I have a 99.9+% chance of surviving if/when I get it makes me stupid, you can be damn sure I’m proud of that.
You undoubtedly aren’t one of those people. Instead you’re one of the smart ones that “followed the science” like a good little sheep. And you undoubtedly thinks that somehow makes you intelligent.
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my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge
Wrong.
My ignorance is better than your knowledge.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:26 pm to TGFN57
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"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
“…Secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy and censorship. When any government…undertakes to say to its subjects ‘This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know’ the end result is tyranny.
…Mighty little force is needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked in this fashion; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, whose mind is free. You can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.” Robert Heinlein.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:27 pm to BigMob
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It is important to place our findings into context. One of the strengths of our analysis is that we quantify the risk of myocarditis associated with both vaccination and SARS-CoV-2 infection in the same population. Myocarditis is an uncommon condition. The risk of vaccine-associated myocarditis is small, with up to an additional 2 events per million people in the 28-day period after exposure to all vaccine doses other than mRNA-1273. This is substantially lower than the 35 additional myocarditis events observed with SARS-CoV-2 infection before vaccination. Furthermore, vaccination reduced the risk of infection associated myocarditis by approximately half, suggesting that the prevention of infection associated myocarditis may be an additional longer-term benefit of vaccination.
Huh.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:34 pm to crazy4lsu
What do you think that means that people haven’t already understood?
Feel free to discuss all subsets of data as it pertains to the idea of a moral hazard and vaccine mandates and recommendations.
Feel free to discuss all subsets of data as it pertains to the idea of a moral hazard and vaccine mandates and recommendations.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:36 pm to the808bass
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Who are you? Quoting Asimov in relation to vaccines with less than 50% vaccine efficacy (meaning they shouldn’t have been approved for distribution) as if knowledge is on the side of a vaccine that likely shouldn’t have been approved.
I bet he/she/it has one of those “Science Is Real” signs in their yard as a talisman of their in-born superior intellect.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:38 pm to BigMob
That's fricking bs man. Climate change is what caused such deaths and not the vaccines. Stop being a conspiracy theorist.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:53 pm to the808bass
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What do you think that means that people haven’t already understood?
Who knows? I'm sure someone somewhere is ready to lecture me on basic immunologic principles that they get completely wrong though. Maybe someone can get a Berensen or whatever his name is analysis going on this.
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Feel free to discuss all subsets of data as it pertains to the idea of a moral hazard and vaccine mandates and recommendations.
What should we relate the risk of adverse effects of a particular vaccine to? The CFR of the pathogen? A vaccine adverse effects versus the pathogens is a 1 to 1 comparison, depending on the design of the vaccine, as it is immunogen to immunogen, especially in the case of mRNA vaccines, which in someways could be considered a 'live subunit' vaccine. If that's not the comparison, should it be the particular risk of adverse effect versus some general risk?
I suppose, most importantly with respect to mandates, should that decision be contextualized within the overall health of the person? Absolutely. But absent consistent mitigation measures, which may have been impossible in COVID anyway, the epidemiologic toolbox is limited. Outside of vaccinating the entire population to limit the possible variety in the quality of infection due possible HLA serotype mediation (that's a mouthful, my bad), one of the other major tools is passive mitigation measures. Did we really explore those measures fully? I don't think so.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 7:36 am
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:57 pm to crazy4lsu
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If that's not the comparison, should it be the particular risk of adverse effect versus some general risk?
Is this the new argument for the qualifications of a new drug approval? If so, I’m all ears.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:57 pm to LSUbest
and who downvotes that?
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:02 pm to dgnx6
Amen!
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:08 pm to the808bass
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Is this the new argument for the qualifications of a new drug approval?
Lol, is it? I have no idea, but assuming your just being glib, I don't see how the vaccine associated myocarditis risk is somehow divorced from the viral myocarditis risk. It isn't an agonist/antagonist or agonist/agonist relationship like many drugs, it's a measurement of risk by virtue of mediation by the immune system. Hence why the immunogen/immunogen comparison is more apt.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:35 pm to WeeWee
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Then don't get the vaccine. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to get the vaccine.
You’re right they just made a bunch of people make a decision if refusing the vaccine was worth losing their job.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:41 pm to STEVED00
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You’re right they just made a bunch of people make a decision if refusing the vaccine was worth losing their job.
Conditions of employment aren't a new idea.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:01 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Conditions of employment aren't a new idea.
That's what I will say, next time I hire a girl to clean my shop. It's just a little jab, what's the harm?
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:24 pm to WeeWee
It’s like they all take the same class on how to selectively read passages out of context.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:24 pm to auggie
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That's what I will say, next time I hire a girl to clean my shop. It's just a little jab, what's the harm?
K.
Let us know how it goes.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:24 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Conditions of employment aren't a new idea.
So harvey Weinstein coercing actresses to sleep with him to get roles is perfectly fine with you, right?
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:34 pm to Open Your Eyes
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So harvey Weinstein coercing actresses to sleep with him to get roles is perfectly fine with you, right?
Do you not know what conditions of employment are, or are you just retarded?
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:37 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
So you’re afraid to answer the question? That’s not surprising.
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