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re: Stop posting the pneumonia drop graph
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:43 pm to Microtiger
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:43 pm to Microtiger
quote:
What he's actually saying is that some pneumonia deaths were really primarily pneumonia deaths, even if they were Covid positive, and those people would have died without Covid. I agree with that and there's no disagreement here in reality.
I thought he was trying to find something that backed out pneumonia deaths that WEREN'T Covid positive?
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:43 pm to Dick Leverage
Venereal disease club?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:46 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
I thought he was trying to find something that backed out pneumonia deaths that WEREN'T Covid positive?
Yeah, and I think that goes hand in hand with trying to figure out how many pneumonia deaths are or aren't due to Covid.
I have a feeling that data would be pretty difficult to find, since we don't have complete data on who really did or didn't have Covid. It's easier to just lump all pneumonia deaths together.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:46 pm to roadGator
quote:Great! Do you wear a seat belt? Does your vehicle have air bags? Let's make a deal, I won't make fun of your vehicle's safety features and the fact that you use them, if you don't make fun of people wearing masks. Deal?
I have no fear in reality though. I’m a trained driver.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:46 pm to roadGator
Virus Defense Commision
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:47 pm to Dick Leverage
Ah. Same thing really.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:47 pm to Dick Leverage
quote:
Damn. How did I miss this gem of a thread started by the secretary of the VDC?
??? Village Development Committee of Nepal?
edit: Oh, you meant virus defense commission. Lmao, what a pathetic response. I'm literally just sharing accurate facts so people have them straight. I guess you're part of the Virus Denial Agency?
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:49 pm to Microtiger
it's all good. sometimes i am confusing. sometimes i post the same thing (in slightly different ways) 20 times in a thread to try to get it right
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:49 pm to Korkstand
No deal. If you wear a mask while out on a boat with one other person, imma make fun of you. If you are riding your bike wearing a mask imma make fun of you.
If you make fun of my seatbelt imma make fun of YOU. That’s just silly. Now that stupid back beeper thing. Feel free to make fun of that annoying sum bitch.
If you make fun of my seatbelt imma make fun of YOU. That’s just silly. Now that stupid back beeper thing. Feel free to make fun of that annoying sum bitch.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
it's all good. sometimes i am confusing. sometimes i post the same thing (in slightly different ways) 20 times in a thread to try to get it right
Yeah, it's not easy, and I get frustrated when people jump on little things in my posts too or misinterpret them. I did the same thing to you just now. It's hard in a forum like this.
Cheers
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:50 pm to the808bass
quote:It all bothers me, and it all should bother you, too. I was anti-shutdown from day 1, and I'm still anti-shutdown. The risk just doesn't justify the damage. But I can still be realistic about the risk.
Welcome to America.
That’s what we’re best at. Spreading disinformation. “Human trafficking!” “Your kid could be kidnapped tomorrow!” “You could catch AIDS!” “Two million Americans will die from this if we don’t shut the whole country down!”
If those didn’t bother you, this one shouldn’t.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:51 pm to Microtiger
quote:
I have a feeling that data would be pretty difficult to find, since we don't have complete data on who really did or didn't have Covid. It's easier to just lump all pneumonia deaths together.
it's going to be an estimation/analysis and not an actual #
it's impossible to look at the actual person and make the call
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:53 pm to Microtiger
quote:
even though I think they're not)
I can tell you unequivocally that they are being inflated. My 90 year old grandmother just passed from an infection totally unrelated to Covid-19. She did, however, have a positive diagnosis for it as well. My aunts were allowed to see her and the doctors told them that she had successfully fought it off, however, it was too dangerous to treat the other infection and she would have declined anyway. Fast forward to the funeral and my aunt showed us the death certificate. Care to guess what it said? She was literally dying from something else, yet managed to fight off Covid-19.
I’m not suggesting that it’s not dangerous and lethal to certain people by any means, but I’m sickened at how inflated the numbers are. The hospital had to get paid, so they listed COD as Covid. Hopefully you’re not naive enough to think that this is the only time this has happened.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:53 pm to Microtiger
Oohhh! Ooohhh! Well...welll...uh....yo mama got a virus! How you comeback from that bra!
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:55 pm to Korkstand
quote:
It all bothers me, and it all should bother you, too. I was anti-shutdown from day 1, and I'm still anti-shutdown. The risk just doesn't justify the damage. But I can still be realistic about the risk.
It's weird that you seem so much more vigilant against the underselling factions than the overselling factions, since the shutdown is undoubtedly much more the result of the overselling of this thing.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:57 pm to Ham Malone
quote:
There used to be a mantra around here of “facts, not feelings” ?
While you are right, the funny thing is, many people are starting to realize what the hell is the truth anymore? Is your "expert" giving you facts? Who the hell knows? Everything on television is a product of money/politics and that includes "news".
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:02 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Who is overselling? Far as I can tell, the overselling stopped sometime in March once the data showed that it wasn't that bad. Now the problem is people are underselling it, and my concern is a false sense of security will cause this to come roaring back if people aren't aware and cautious.
It's weird that you seem so much more vigilant against the underselling factions than the overselling factions
quote:Sure. All I'm saying is let's start at the truth and move forward. Underselling just casts more doubt about the whole thing. That's not productive.
since the shutdown is undoubtedly much more the result of the overselling of this thing.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:02 pm to Bud Davis
quote:
I can tell you unequivocally that they are being inflated. My 90 year old grandmother just passed from an infection totally unrelated to Covid-19. She did, however, have a positive diagnosis for it as well. My aunts were allowed to see her and the doctors told them that she had successfully fought it off, however, it was too dangerous to treat the other infection and she would have declined anyway. Fast forward to the funeral and my aunt showed us the death certificate. Care to guess what it said? She was literally dying from something else, yet managed to fight off Covid-19. I’m not suggesting that it’s not dangerous and lethal to certain people by any means, but I’m sickened at how inflated the numbers are. The hospital had to get paid, so they listed COD as Covid. Hopefully you’re not naive enough to think that this is the only time this has happened.
Okay, first of all, I regret putting "even though I think they're not" in the OP. I used the verb inflated, meaning artificially inflated on purpose, as many here think the Democrats are doing. I did not mean overcounted.
I was trying to say I don't believe there is a coordinated top-down effort to make up and fabricate Covid deaths for ulterior reasons.
I don't doubt that non-Covid deaths are being counted as Covid deaths, and I don't doubt that Covid deaths are being missed and undercounted, and I wouldn't even doubt that there are way more of the first than the second. This is messy stuff that is hard to track.
It's attributing nefarious motives and coordination to it that I think is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Right. We can get a rough estimate by just subtracting the baseline pneumonia deaths, which is typically around 3500/week this time of year.
it's going to be an estimation/analysis and not an actual #
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:06 pm to Bud Davis
quote:Do you know what caused the infection?
I can tell you unequivocally that they are being inflated. My 90 year old grandmother just passed from an infection totally unrelated to Covid-19. She did, however, have a positive diagnosis for it as well. My aunts were allowed to see her and the doctors told them that she had successfully fought it off, however, it was too dangerous to treat the other infection and she would have declined anyway. Fast forward to the funeral and my aunt showed us the death certificate. Care to guess what it said? She was literally dying from something else, yet managed to fight off Covid-19.
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