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re: Stephen Miller: "The only process invaders are due is deportation."
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:01 pm to retired_tiger
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:01 pm to retired_tiger
quote:Not to illegals
Due process is owed to everyone
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Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:04 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
quote:"within its jurisdiction"
Non-citizens are not "persons."
Illegals shouldn't even be in the country. How can someone who is not supposed to be here be subject to it's jurisdiction, especially when the 14th clearly delineates that it is referring to CITIZENS? Miller is clearly right on target.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:08 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
quote:Apparently SFP has infected you too because you are trying to bifurcate these ideas. The entire amendment is about CITIZENS. It never mentions any sort of delineation between citizens and non-citizens. You are reading into the language which is called eisegesis.
the due process clause is in a completely different sentence than the language you reference
SFP claims the amendment specifies that illegals get "some rights" and citizens get "more rights" which is clearly not in the text. That came from his dumpster fire of a brain
So yes, the 14th does not apply to people who are not supposed to be within the borders, like Miller said. You don't apply the 14th to people just because you got lazy at the border. That is stupid, absurd and asinine. It leads to our current farce of a justice system where these people get assigned a "court date" and then they disappear into the country committing even more crimes
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:09 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Except he is not telling the truth.
He is talking in populist talk.
The trial that he talks about lasting several years in realisty lasts minutes and while appealable, every attorney will tell the loser of the trial that it is hopeless. Sure you can fine some one in a million cases, but those are rare.
He is talking in populist talk.
The trial that he talks about lasting several years in realisty lasts minutes and while appealable, every attorney will tell the loser of the trial that it is hopeless. Sure you can fine some one in a million cases, but those are rare.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:11 pm to Eurocat
quote:
The trial that he talks about lasting several years in realisty lasts minutes and while appealable, every attorney will tell the loser of the trial that it is hopeless.
bullshite
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:11 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
quote:
The problem for the Trump administration is that it seems to be having difficultly FOLLOWING the applicable processes (whether intentionally or inadvertently) and is thus (in many cases) denying even that reduced level of "due process."
If deportation is commensurate with due process and that is what ICE is doing, then they are following the legal process
quote:Oh so you're a mind reader
Miller's problem is that he does not seem to care
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:11 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
Assholes.like you and that other retard are what is wrong with this country.
You scumbags make me sick to my stomach.
You scumbags make me sick to my stomach.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:13 pm to VOR
quote:
Miller truly is a lizard person.
this coming from someone who takes black and brown dick up his arse
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:13 pm to Eurocat
quote:So we don't really have 20 million illegals in the country committing crimes?? Who knew?
The trial that he talks about lasting several years in realisty lasts minutes
quote:Their trial dates are years down the road. That is why ICE is having to work so hard to find these people. Because the idiot previous administration did everything they could to circumvent the legal process and aided/abetted the illegals with all sorts of help paid for by YOUR tax money
every attorney will tell the loser of the trial that it is hopeless
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:15 pm to somethingdifferent
If you don't do due process you do not know if they are illegals.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:16 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:Well, SCOTUS agrees with me and with SFP. You are certainly free to believe otherwise.
Apparently SFP has infected you too because you are trying to bifurcate these ideas. The entire amendment is about CITIZENS. It never mentions any sort of delineation between citizens and non-citizens. You are reading into the language which is called eisegesis.
SFP claims the amendment specifies that illegals get "some rights" and citizens get "more rights" which is clearly not in the text. That came from his dumpster fire of a brain
So yes, the 14th does not apply to people who are not supposed to be within the borders, like Miller said. You don't apply the 14th to people just because you got lazy at the border. That is stupid, absurd and asinine. It leads to our current farce of a justice system where these people get assigned a "court date" and then they disappear into the country committing even more crimes
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:18 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
Thanks, AggieHank.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:18 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
Illegals shouldn't even be in the country. How can someone who is not supposed to be here be subject to it's jurisdiction
What you are saying is people here illegally should be able to kill someone and get away with it because of lack of jurisdiction.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:19 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:The statutory and administrative deportation PROCESS is commensurate with due process, because it includes hearings and appellate rights (both albeit truncated vs. a civil proceeding).quote:If deportation is commensurate with due process and that is what ICE is doing, then they are following the legal process
The problem for the Trump administration is that it seems to be having difficultly FOLLOWING the applicable processes (whether intentionally or inadvertently) and is thus (in many cases) denying even that reduced level of "due process."
Again, the problem is that Trump's ICE has not been following those proceses.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:20 pm to AU86
quote:
you and that other retard are what is wrong with this country. You scumbags make me sick to my stomach.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:20 pm to AU86
HTH
This post was edited on 11/27/25 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:22 pm to Eurocat
quote:That's not what liberals are saying. Libs are saying they should all get full court cases which is absurd. Sorting illegals from citizens is just the boilerplate workflow
If you don't do due process you do not know if they are illegals
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:22 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
This is total BS. The immigration system does not require the same level of process afforded in civil or criminal proceedings. Truly “illegal” aliens are entitled to very little process. The more difficult cases with asylum claims or other circumstances are a little more involved but still do not require the level of process in a criminal case.
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:22 pm to Eurocat
quote:And that citizens can murder them without consequence.quote:What you are saying is people here illegally should be able to kill someone and get away with it because of lack of jurisdiction.
Illegals shouldn't even be in the country. How can someone who is not supposed to be here be subject to it's jurisdiction
Posted on 11/27/25 at 11:23 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
The problem in this thread is that too many people want to get rid off illegal aliens right away and think rules and shite are a big fat pain in the arse - so ignore then, I mean, what the frick, right? We all know they are guilty and if a few are not, no biggie.
Sorry, don't agree. That attitude leads to cops are always right and that leads to people losing their homes and cars due to civil forfeiture.
And I am not pro illegal immigrant, build a wall and make it electric. But, folks, rules and rules (even if they are dumb rules).
Sorry, don't agree. That attitude leads to cops are always right and that leads to people losing their homes and cars due to civil forfeiture.
And I am not pro illegal immigrant, build a wall and make it electric. But, folks, rules and rules (even if they are dumb rules).
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