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re: Stephen Miller- administration considering suspending habeas corpus
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:47 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:47 pm to Bunk Moreland
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This place would be going bonkers if a Dem did this shite.
True because they are insane and evil and thus cant be trusted to do the right thing.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You know, some people were against bigger government consistently and remain so across the board, right?
But choke it down for one group and lose their minds over another.
We were the ones sitting and doing the warning then. We are just wondering where all these folks were at then.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think you understand what's being discussed. That's a word salad.
I know what is being discussed and replied to an idiotic response from a supposed lawyer. Now answer why were people “mostly” affected and not all? That is not how the law works counselor.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
I didn’t watch much of it because Chris Rufo was a smarmy douche, but he was on Greenwald’s show yesterday justifying the power grabs as what the electorate voted for because the institutions need correction. Greenwald, of course, is a consistent civil libertarian across administrations and doesn’t like any authoritarianism.
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:49 pm to Warrior Court
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it's red meat for the base - typical Trump communication. get them all fired up and foaming and then crickets - Greenland, Panama Canal, Epstein, Canada rinse and repeat. you would think they would (could?) learn.
Three other presidents have already suspended habeas corpus. I guess your liberal outlets didn’t tell you about that.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:50 pm to djsdawg
Lol, you just said exactly what I did in my Rufo post.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No rebellion or invasion exists today.
Which one existed in 1871?
And for those that dont feel like looking it up, I'll just post this.
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On October 17, 1871, President Ulysses S. Grant suspended the Writ of Habeas Corpus. During the previous year the Ku Klux Klan had unleashed a campaign of violence against African Americans and representatives of the state and Federal governments.
And just because you want to ignore what Grant did by requiring the use of the term 'invasion", theres this
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invasion
a: A geopolitical entity, usually in large numbers, entering territory controlled by another similar entity, often involving acts of aggression.
b: Infringement by intrusion.
c: the act of entering a place in large numbers especially in a way that is harmful or unwanted.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Correct.
Because it would be unjustified.
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See above comment about hypocrisy.
You're too stupid and wrong about everything to identify hypocrisy.
You've been summarily owned in every argument on this topic I've participated in.
Go be a retard somewhere else.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:54 pm to Warboo
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We have a country leader that just admitted as such.
Not really, and, even then, Venezuelans are a very small % of the total who came here illegally, and that's a problem.
You can't claim a country is "invading" us when there are people from 5+ countries coming here in large numbers, unless it's a WW2-style scenario where you can show all of those countries are working together and sending agents of their nation for that purpose.
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The historical records that the parties present, supplemented by the additional records that the Court reviewed, demonstrate that at the time of the AEA’s enactment, the plain, ordinary meaning of “invasion” was an entry into the nation’s territory by a military force or an organized, armed force, with the purpose of conquering or obtaining control over territory. In a similar vein the common usage of “predatory incursion” and, to a lesser degree, “incursion,” referenced a military force or an organized, armed force entering a territory to destroy property, plunder, and harm individuals, with a subsequent retreat from that territory. Although other uses exist for these terms, those rare uses do not represent the ordinary meaning of those terms.
LINK
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The Court previously considered the “definitional and historic registers” against which “invasion” and “predatory incursion” may be interpreted under the Act. D.B.U., 2025 WL 1163530, at *9. There is no reason to disturb its conclusion that the word “invasion” as used in the Act “contemplate[s] military action.” Id. at *10; cf. ECF No. 48 at 17. “The term ‘invasion’ was a legal term of art with a well-defined meaning at the Founding.” J.G.G., 2025 WL 914682, at *8 (Henderson, J., concurring); see also id. (defining “invasion as a “‘[h]ostile entrance upon the right or possessions of another; hostile encroachment,’ such as when ‘William the Conqueror invaded England’”) (quoting Samuel Johnson, Invasion, sense 1, A DICTIONARY OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE (4th ed. 1773)); (reciting second dictionary defining “invasion as a “‘hostile entrance into the possession of another; particularly the entrance of a hostile army into a country for the purpose of conquest or plunder, or the attack of a military force’”) (quoting Noah Webster, Invasion, sense 1, AMERICAN DICTIONARY OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE (1828)) (emphasis added).
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:55 pm to Bunk Moreland
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justifying the power grabs as what the electorate voted for because the institutions need correction.
These charlatans are evil, inflexing useful idiots who need to learn about our government.
I guess my work here isn't done with that evil in the world.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Who were being pressured by the government. Give it up. That is a a losing argument.
That's what private companies had the right to do.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and, to a lesser degree, “incursion,”
To mean not at all, but put in place for smooth brains like slow to take as legitimate.
Then they gloss over it to continue to leverage the meaning of invasion.
But again, smooth brains like sfp don't recognize the slight of hand.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:57 pm to RobbBobb
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And just because you want to ignore what Grant did by requiring the use of the term 'invasion",
Well he didn't use that justification. He used rebellion.
LINK
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Whereas such unlawful combinations and conspiracies for the purposes aforesaid are declared by the act of Congress aforesaid to be rebellion against the Government of the United States
Number of uses of "invasion" in the proclamation: 0
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:As long as there are totalitarian Leftists in this world you are correct.
I guess my work here isn't done with that evil in the world.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:59 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Because it would be unjustified.
Same as using it now. Correct. That's the point.
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You're too stupid and wrong about everything to identify hypocrisy.
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You've been summarily owned in every argument on this topic I've participated in.
Well now you're just making shite up, but your temper tantrum is noted
Posted on 5/9/25 at 6:59 pm to Turbeauxdog
Not that this matters, because our buffoon oligarchy doesn't have say over foreign policy.
So all their bloviating is pointless.
So all their bloviating is pointless.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 7:00 pm to Turbeauxdog
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and, to a lesser degree, “incursion,”
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To mean not at all, but put in place for smooth brains like slow to take as legitimate.
"Predatory incursion" has no place in this thread, brainiac.
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 5/9/25 at 7:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
I gave you instructions, follow them or not.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 7:02 pm to Turbeauxdog
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I gave you instructions, follow them or not.
You don't have the ability to understand the basics of what is actually being discussed, ITT, apparently.
But hey, dig your hole with that temper tantrum.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 7:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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These charlatans are evil, inflexing useful idiots who need to learn about our government. I guess my work here isn't done with that evil in the world.
The evil is being inflexed by useful idiots like you but sporting a black robe. You look at this catastrophe as job security. Most look at it as this loss of sovereignty.
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 7:04 pm
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