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re: Stan McChrystal - Good riddance: Americans need to set aside icons like Robert E. Lee...
Posted on 11/24/18 at 8:48 am to Rex
Posted on 11/24/18 at 8:48 am to Rex
quote:Why not, he was a great general. Which apparently according to your standard is what it takes to be looked highly upon. Considering you’ve spent the better part of this thread deriding Lee’s tactical abilities.
Benedict Arnold doesn't hold me back from succeeding, but I don't want him glorified with conspicuous public monuments, do you?
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Posted on 11/24/18 at 8:54 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Lee could have caused the nation even more upheaval had he broken his command up and had the war degenerate into a guerilla conflict. But he chose to end it honorably.
You cannot judge people from that era by the standards of today.
You cannot judge people from that era by the standards of today.
This post was edited on 11/24/18 at 8:55 am
Posted on 11/24/18 at 8:55 am to Rex
quote:Jesus. . .these fricking guys. . .
Lee was inept. The only reason his reputation as a "great general" survives is that he's part of that "lost cause" propaganda... to paint the South as something noble.
quote:Lee was beaten by superior numbers in a better fortified position than he was led to believe.
Gettysburg, for example, is textbook shitty military foresight, planning, and execution...
The invasion of the North was no different than Wallace's invasion of England. If you are going to win a war, you have to bring the war home to the enemy populace.
Sherman knew, this as well
Posted on 11/24/18 at 8:57 am to Rex
Was Arnold saluted by every enemy soldier upon losing his command?
Posted on 11/24/18 at 8:59 am to Roaad
Your knowledge of actual history will not sway these idiots. They don't care.
The job of the Progressive is to rewrite history to fit their narrative, no matter how false the narrative. All the quotes, facts, and stories regarding Lee or his beliefs are irrelevant once the Progressive is convinced they are right.
Like everything else, since the Progressive "feels" they are smart, they expect you to treat them that way. Just the same as if a male SJW "feels" they are a woman.
The job of the Progressive is to rewrite history to fit their narrative, no matter how false the narrative. All the quotes, facts, and stories regarding Lee or his beliefs are irrelevant once the Progressive is convinced they are right.
Like everything else, since the Progressive "feels" they are smart, they expect you to treat them that way. Just the same as if a male SJW "feels" they are a woman.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:02 am to antibarner
quote:You can not teach this to the leftists of today, apparently.
You cannot judge people from that era by the standards of today.
I have tried on here many times.
"Oh, he {insert grievance} in a time when it was generally morally acceptable to do so. . .he is evil because he did something that was decided to be evil long after the fact!!!"
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:04 am to Roaad
quote:
Lee was beaten by superior numbers in a better fortified position than he was led to believe. The invasion of the North was no different than Wallace's invasion of England. If you are going to win a war, you have to bring the war home to the enemy populace. Sherman knew, this as well
Good lord... so much baloney there.
Ask the ghost of General Pickett if Lee's disastrous command at Gettysburg was because the North "had greater numbers than Lee was led to believe". Talk about rewriting history!
Ask James McPherson if invading the North served the Confederacy's independence cause. Instead it was doomed to failure and PISSED OFF everyday Northerners who had been on the verge of letting it all go but instead found a new vigor for sending folks like Sherman to punish the traitors.
Sorry, but the history books are being corrected now, away from the "lost cause" propaganda that glorified Lee. The truth is that he was a bad military commander and an even worse human being.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:07 am to Rex
quote:
Benedict Arnold doesn't hold me back from succeeding, but I don't want him glorified with conspicuous public monuments, do you?
And these public monuments: are they in your daily life in any way besides being discussed on a message board? Do you see people worshipping these monuments? Do they prohibit you from going about your daily life? Does their existence prohibit you from doing anything that you want to do?
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:09 am to Jyrdis
I'll just repeat:
quote:
Benedict Arnold doesn't hold me back from succeeding, but I don't want him glorified with conspicuous public monuments, do you?
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:11 am to Rex
quote:
Benedict Arnold doesn't hold me back from succeeding, but I don't want him glorified with conspicuous public monuments, do you?
I don't care. You're a pussy so you probably do.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:13 am to Rex
And why are we talking about monuments? You moved the goal posts. I asked how Robert E Lee was holding anyone back—in reference to the guy’s article—yet you bring up monuments.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:13 am to Rex
The progressive future
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:13 am to Rex
quote:Up early I see.
Rex
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:14 am to Rex
quote::sigh:
Good lord... so much baloney there.
quote:That was one of the better fortified positions than Lee believed.
Ask the ghost of General Pickett if Lee's disastrous command at Gettysburg was because the North "had greater numbers than Lee was led to believe". Talk about rewriting history!
The charge was repulsed by some of the most heroic teams of artillery the war had ever seen.
That battle was won by the north, rather than lost by the south.
quote:Lee knew the South could not win a defensive war.
Ask James McPherson if invading the North served the Confederacy's in
McPherson speaks from a position of hindsight and 100 years of dissection.
please with this drivel.Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:15 am to upgrayedd
quote:
I don't care. You're a pussy so you probably do.
This is the correct answer though I will refrain from calling Rex a pussy as I am trying to be civil.
I personally don’t care one way or the other about a statue—since Rex brought it up. Lee, Arnold, Obama, Clinton, etc. I couldn’t care less if someone made a statue to glorify whoever. It’s their prerogative. As long as it doesn’t impede my movements, have at it.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:18 am to Roaad
Your excuse-making makes me laugh.
Good lord. No objective person would ever write that.
quote:
That battle was won by the north, rather than lost by the south.
Good lord. No objective person would ever write that.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:20 am to Roaad
quote:
Lee knew the South could not win a defensive war.
That's the ONLY way they COULD have won.
Attacking the North pissed off Northerners the same way Napoleon invading and Hitler invading pissed off the Russians, who were then not going to settle for merely expelling their enemies. IT WAS ON.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:22 am to Jyrdis
I don't care that there are statues and streets named after mass murders like Che Guevara. I'm not trying to take those things down because I'm not a pussy like rex
This post was edited on 11/24/18 at 9:23 am
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
Except that putting up a statue of Lee as an honorable person in the first place was the falsification of history.
Now, inasmuch as Lee is still in the history books and forever will be, let me further add that your graphic is nonsensical.
Now, inasmuch as Lee is still in the history books and forever will be, let me further add that your graphic is nonsensical.
Posted on 11/24/18 at 9:24 am to Rex
quote:So you are saying that Lee had good intelligence on troop levels and artillery capabilities? I mean he thought he did, but his intel was wrong.
Good lord. No objective person would ever write that.
And the Union artillery company was fricking amazing.
You are arguing against McPherson here, btw.
Did overconfidence play into Lee ordering the charge? Sure.
But that is only one of 3 things that went wrong that was Lee's fault.
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