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re: Springsteen is a COWARD!
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:05 am to Lutcher Lad
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:05 am to Lutcher Lad
quote:My mental gymnastics are not evolved enough to accept that those fighting in the Vietnam were 'standing up for their country.'
There are many heroes who stood up for their country, whether begrudgingly or not.
EDIT: grammar
This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 10:08 am
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Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:06 am to greygoose
quote:
As a veteran myself, the only thing you wrote that I disagree with.
Fair point...but we agree to disagree.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:12 am to Lutcher Lad
Can't stand him, never did. His voice sounds like he is trying to take a giant impacted constipation shite. Nor that idiot in his band that wears the durag.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:13 am to omegaman66
quote:
Avoiding a war on the other side of the world that was purely for BS reasons is about the only thing he has done that doesn't make me hate him.
Cowards will find a reason to protest any future wars or conflicts if it means they may have to take up arms and possibly be shot at. The grunts on the ground do their duty when called upon....they don't get to analyze the situation and either agree or disagree with their government.
Freedom has a price, my friend!
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:17 am to Lutcher Lad
quote:Are you seriously saying that the Vietnam War was about fighting for freedom in the USA?
The grunts on the ground do their duty when called upon....they don't get to analyze the situation and either agree or disagree with their government.
Freedom has a price, my friend!
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:19 am to back9Tiger
Born in the U.S.A
I was born in the U.S.A. now
Born in the U.S.A
I'm a big draft dodger in the U.S.A. now
I was born in the U.S.A. now
Born in the U.S.A
I'm a big draft dodger in the U.S.A. now
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:19 am to RoyalWe
quote:
My mental gymnastics are not evolved enough to accept that those fighting in the Vietnam were 'standing up for their country.'
So....maybe your mental gymnastics are competing in "special olympics" because how can you explain that any soldier fighting in Vietnam was not standing up for their country? If they were there, and they were in a uniform and they held a rifle, and they were subject to enemy fire....I would say they stood up for their country. They didn't go for a free vacation!
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:24 am to Iron Lion
quote:
Are you seriously saying that the Vietnam War was about fighting for freedom in the USA?
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying, as an American citizen, if our government deems it necessary to fight in a war and draft able bodied young men, my peers, to be sent to fight said war...I should be sent as well. And if I am scared, like many would be, I would hope that my fear is pushed aside to perform my patriotic duty to my country.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:25 am to Lutcher Lad
quote:Let me separate two things for you.
I would say they stood up for their country.
Any soldier gets my full respect for being in the military regardless of conflict.
It is possible that conflicts are unethical/immoral. We are a Republic. If the people do not support a war then the war should not be supported. The draft is tyrannical, unethical, and immoral. If people are forced to "stand up for their country" then I'd say that's some pretty shitty optics.
So, let's separate respecting members of the military from what it means to "stand up for your country."
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:26 am to toratiger
quote:
We did not know then what we know today.The war was immoral. However at the time no one knew this. It was my experience that many of those who dodged the draft were not doing so on moral grounds. They were afraid.
People, like Mohamad Ali who stood tall and refused to go but did not run and hide have my respect. Then there were others.....
I knew 1 guy who married a women with 3 kids to get defered.
What's this dumb shite, and I mean really dumb shite. American culture was fundamentally and profoundly changed because more than half the fricking country knew the war was "immoral".
The only people that didn't know it were the people who had their heads in the sand and still living the romanticized lie of "Uncle Sam" and American war making.
Once it became clear the war was the work of truly horrible men, over half the country believed it was a mistake. Everyone with two brain cells knew that war was corrupt and fricked up. The entire country was turned upside down because people knew this.
This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 10:45 am
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:27 am to Lutcher Lad
quote:You would be an excellent Nazi soldier. An unthinking, compliant servant for evil leaders.
if our government deems it necessary to fight in a war and draft able bodied young men, my peers, to be sent to fight said war...I should be sent as well.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:30 am to thejuiceisloose
You are full of shite. Trump was a student at Fordham University (1964) and got an automatic college deferment for the Vietnam War.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:31 am to LSU Neil
quote:I like Born to Run but that's about it.
His music always sucked and I hated it.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:41 am to Lutcher Lad
quote:
Cowards will find a reason to protest any future wars or conflicts if it means they may have to take up arms and possibly be shot at. The grunts on the ground do their duty when called upon....they don't get to analyze the situation and either agree or disagree with their government.
Freedom has a price, my friend!
If they were savvy enough to take a moment and do this, they wouldn’t be killed for no good reason at all. And to take it a step further, they wouldn’t join the service.
Anyone who joins the Armed Forces nowadays and goes to war, just needs to understand he's fighting for a corrupt government and it's corporate handlers. As long as he knows this, and also knows that the United States Government has no intention of ever winning a corporate, for profit foreign war, he's good.
There's probably only 60 thousand or so men who are currently alive that have fought for my freedom, and depending on which historian you ask, they didn't even do it. The rest of them? Well they fought for and continue to fight for Wall Street.
My investment portfolio thanks them all for their service.
This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 10:44 am
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:45 am to Pandy Fackler
quote:I rarely agree with you, but yeah you nailed this.
Pandy Fackler
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:48 am to Lutcher Lad
quote:
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying, as an American citizen, if our government deems it necessary to fight in a war and draft able bodied young men, my peers, to be sent to fight said war...I should be sent as well. And if I am scared, like many would be, I would hope that my fear is pushed aside to perform my patriotic duty to my country.
With everything we now know about Corporate American war making. I can't believe people still think this way.
Holy shite.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:57 am to RockoRou
quote:
You are full of shite. Trump was a student at Fordham University (1964) and got an automatic college deferment for the Vietnam War.
Well not to put too fine of a point on it, he graduated from U Penn (Ivy League) and had four deferments, with his fifth deferment being the Ace in the hole bone spur thing. A podiatrist friend of his Dad's made it happen.
Those with means dodge the draft by calling Daddy. Those who dodge the draft without it, get called a coward.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 11:12 am to Lutcher Lad
quote:
draft dodger and admitted to his cowardly acts in order to avoid serving during Vietnam.
Springsteen might be a punk, but that criticism hasn’t aged well over time.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 11:24 am to Lutcher Lad
I remember when that Dixie Chick said bad things about Bush while overseas. That didn’t go well for them.
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