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Spectator: The Kushner Conundrum

Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:27 pm
Posted by joshnorris14
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:27 pm
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After a string of broken promises, policy disappointments and sinking poll numbers, the populist wing of the Republican party knows who is to blame. It’s the President’s son-in-law, the prince of the administration, Jared Kushner.

‘Trump has a Jared problem,’ is how one conservative activist who works with the White House on immigration puts it. ‘Jared is a total frick-up. Everything he touches turns to lead.’ Others groan about ‘four more years of Jared’ should the President be re-elected in November.



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Various sources in, or connected to, the administration are stunned by the amount of power Kushner wields. He is a 39-year-old rich kid who had no experience in government before 2016, yet he is in charge of Middle East diplomacy, police reform, a major immigration reform package, criminal justice reform, PPE procurement during COVID-19 and construction of the border wall.

Kushner’s inexperience might be excusable if he were particularly brilliant. People who have sat in meetings with him, however, describe him as ‘slow’, ‘a moron’ and ‘not really that bright’. He struggles to master detail. One official suggests he doesn’t have the acuity to master one, let alone all, of the tasks the President gives him. For instance, he was in charge of producing the 600-plus-page immigration reform package, but conservatives were horrified at how little he knew about the issue he was leading on. He didn’t even seem to know what was in his own proposal; others had to step in when he was unable to answer the more technical questions.



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One conservative source who attended a briefing on the plan led by Kushner told The Spectator he was shocked that Kushner seemed to have no sense of how to answer basic questions about chain migration and the diversity visa lottery. ‘He presents as someone very knowledgeable and in the know until he faces questions,’ the source said. ‘He goes off the record or on deep background so people don’t realize he’s a fricking idiot.’

Even people close to Kushner admit he is no policy expert. In his defense, they argue that his business acumen — something even his detractors recognize — is highly useful in politics. Kushner successfully tendered contracts to build the wall, putting the administration on pace to complete 450 miles by the end of the year. The administration also boasts of Kushner’s work in assembling a volunteer team of private-sector employees to procure PPE and ventilators in the fight against COVID-19. His skill in assembling a bipartisan coalition to draft and pass the First Step Act was a widely praised success — even if some hardliners saw it as a concession to Democratic thinking on criminal justice reform.



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Some assign sinister motives to Kushner’s missteps. His negative influence on the administration, it’s whispered, goes beyond incompetence and veers toward deliberate sabotage. Several individuals close to the administration claim Kushner’s history as a rather progressive Democrat makes him far more ideological than he lets on, and this causes him to subvert Trump’s populist agenda. ‘The depths and lengths Jared is going to to stab Trump in the back [are] quite profound,’ one source claimed. ‘Trump’s been burned by Jared so many times,’ said another.


There are sour grapes here, no doubt. Kushner brings in advisers who are sympathetic to his political inclinations, often at the expense of conservative experts who aren’t. Some speak of Kushner’s ‘Greek chorus’: when Trump seeks out other counsel about a decision, he is often met with another Kushner lackey who parrots his son-in-law’s position. Kushner does seem to listen to different ideas, but conservative members of the administration have learned not to cross him. Nobody wants to end up like Steve Bannon, Gen. John Kelly or Kirstjen Nielsen. Kushner is family, so he can’t be fired.



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Kushner’s detractors, for their part, point to some trends that should alarm the Trump 2020 campaign team. Recent polls show the President’s support waning among key groups of supporters, such as evangelical Christians, white Catholics and voters without college degrees. The sense that Trump is not, after all, on their side is growing at just the wrong moment for a re-election push.


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In April, Kushner was in the fray again when Trump was considering a blanket ban on immigration amid the coronavirus outbreak. Sources familiar with the situation told The Spectator at the time that the ban was significantly stripped back because Kushner wanted to carve out exemptions for refugees, temporary workers under the H-1B visa program and farmworkers under the H-2A visa program. White House officials rejected those claims, insisting that Kushner had been ‘supportive of the President’s policy’.


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Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:31 pm to
Who put him in that position?
Posted by westide
Bamala
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:31 pm to
I don't know what you said because it is too long to read and I have a headache, but I hate Kushner. I still believe Ivanka will realize what a wimp she married a wimp and we can finally be together.
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:32 pm to
The more these articles come out the more I think it's a coordinated attempt to drive a wedge between trump.

Of all the things listed Kushner is in charge of:
Middle East, police reform, criminal justice. I'm pleased with the current outcomes.



I don't think he should be touching immigration or the wall. But yet the border wall is still going up and trump just passed a ban on HB1 visas.

So something is definitely wrong in the article to completely glaze over those facts.


ETA I love you Josh - one of the first if not the first to be on the trump train in 2015 but Kushner isn't going anywhere.

If anyone is to blame for trumps potential defeat it's himself for not going off his instincts and for being soft in May/June. I'm very optimistic for a big July but regardless Kushner isn't going anywhere and he can be used as a boogeyman, in the end Trump calls his own shots.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 1:35 pm
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:33 pm to
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:33 pm to




do you have a point other than showing copy/paste ability
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:36 pm to
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In April, Kushner was in the fray again when Trump was considering a blanket ban on immigration amid the coronavirus outbreak. Sources familiar with the situation told The Spectator at the time that the ban was significantly stripped back because Kushner wanted to carve out exemptions for refugees, temporary workers under the H-1B visa program and farmworkers under the H-2A visa program.


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‘I know for a fact that there was a document drafted for the President to sign saying replacing Americans with foreign workers was not in the national interest, making it explicitly illegal,’ one source close to the administration said. ‘All it would have taken is a stroke of a pen. When I would ask why it hadn’t been done, the answer was always “Jared”.’


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This follows a pattern: the President addresses his supporters’ concerns on social media; his son-in-law dismisses them in government.


It's an open secret that Jared is one of the most hostile actors inside the Trump Administration when it comes to immigration restrictionism.

It's by far the biggest problem with him. The tone deaf mixed messaging is just a cherry on top.

The only thing Jared Kushner is useful for with the Trump campaign is data operations crunching the numbers and that's it.

He should have no absolutely no input in policy matters and the messaging for the President's reelection campaign.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:37 pm to
I remember an article from a year or so ago that he is basically a Fredo.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 1:38 pm
Posted by walley tux
DFW
Member since May 2020
794 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:38 pm to
big fan of the spectator are you?

it's a never trump cesspool.



Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:41 pm to
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The more these articles come out the more I think it's a coordinated attempt to drive a wedge between trump.



Or maybe Jared sucks arse and Trump needs to stop taking shitty advice from him and the conservatives the voted for the President are making that clear?

We didn't vote for Jared's cosmopolitanism, we voted for Donald Trump's America First platform.

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Middle East, police reform, criminal justice. I'm pleased with the current outcomes.


Jared's middle east peace plan has been widely panned as a complete joke and a farce by all the serious players and it not taken seriously at all. He was taken for a ride by the Saudis.

Trump will have nothing to do with "police reform" this year because it's adding to his projection of weakness that's put him in a funk right now and he also will not be cheerleading criminal justice reform either.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 1:45 pm
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
49234 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:41 pm to
Wish Ivanka would have kept her legs closed for this clown.
Posted by Jeff Boomhauer
Arlen, TX
Member since Jun 2016
3552 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:45 pm to
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but conservatives were horrified at how little he knew about the issue he was leading on. He didn’t even seem to know what was in his own proposal; others had to step in when he was unable to answer the more technical questions.

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you’re happy with your plan, you can keep your plan.

Then a few months later we learned ....
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He didn’t even seem to know what was in his own proposal; others had to step in when he was unable to answer the more technical questions.


Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19227 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:47 pm to
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The more these articles come out the more I think it's a coordinated attempt to drive a wedge between trump.


Kushner is an idiot.

Whoever pushed this article is trying to save Trump from Kushner, by putting it out in the open, and hopefully forcing Trump to deal with it.
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:47 pm to
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Jared's middle east peace plan has been widely panned as a complete joke and a farce by all the serious players and it not taken seriously at all. He was taken for a ride by the Saudis.

Trump will have nothing to do with "police reform" this year because it's adding to his projection of weakness that's put him in a funk right now and he also will not be cheerleading criminal justice reform either.


We've removed troops in the ME are you not happy with that? We've engaged in any conflicts are you not happy with that? Isis is completely gone are you not happy with that?

They tried to broker a treat between Israel and Palestine. Big fricking deal it didn't work out.

But there is a lot of positives in the ME in this admin that can't be glossed over.

As for police reform. He probably have time to present something but the first step act was a huge success so I give him the benefit of the doubt this could be as well.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19227 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:49 pm to
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They tried to broker a treat between Israel and Palestine. Big fricking deal it didn't work out.


It was all song and dance from the Israelis to the Saudis - and the moron thought they were being serious.
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8141 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:51 pm to
Can't speak on his actions on the other initiatives, but the PPE work has been stellar.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34080 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:53 pm to
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I remember an article from a year or so ago that he is basically a Fredo.

Makes you wonder why Trump keeps him there? Because of Ivanka? Best I can tell she's merely window dressing. I will always remember what Kushner said about how the Government, and how it treated his swindler father. The US Govt would pay for it did to his father.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:56 pm to
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We've removed troops in the ME are you not happy with that? We've engaged in any conflicts are you not happy with that? Isis is completely gone are you not happy with that?



All of this is something the President campaigned on and is in line with the America first platform.

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They tried to broker a treat between Israel and Palestine. Big fricking deal it didn't work out.



Because Jared is in over his head and got taken for a ride by the Saudis. And the other parties were merely humoring him.

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But there is a lot of positives in the ME in this admin that can't be glossed over.


All of which stems from Trump's absolutely being hell bent on making sure we do not start any more stupid wars and conflicts in the mideast.

And that's what the President campaigned on. America first.

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As for police reform. He probably have time to present something


He should not and will not present anything at all. The token executive order you saw earlier this month is as far as he's going to go on "police reform".

Not with BLM getting absolutely batshit crazy at all. Did you not watch the Bruan segment on Tucker the other night?

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the first step act was a huge success


Trump will not talk about it at all.

Why should he when he's running as the strong law and order candidate?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45217 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:58 pm to
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Makes you wonder why Trump keeps him there?


Trump is probably impressed with Kushner's business acumen and trusts him.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45217 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 2:00 pm to
Why was this thread anchored?
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