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re: Space Force and novel energy production sources / transit (Paradigm changing)

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Posted by Clames
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Posted on 12/16/19 at 6:30 pm to
Appeal to authority? Authority of the 4 laws of thermodynamics is nothing I have to appeal to, just apply... You've noticed nothing, stupid little child...
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 12/16/19 at 6:34 pm to
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Because I have an excellent education where a fundamental understanding of Thermodynamics was a core requirement. People like you, the OP, and millions of others have such a miserable grasp of grade-scool level physical science that it makes you easy targets for claims that seem plausible at the surface yet don't stand up to basic scrutiny.


Let me start by saying “we” (you and I) know nothing. This humble perspective is more appropriate to possess to truly “understand”.

I responded to you earlier in the thread with information. Instead, you continue to invoke an appeal to authority and insult people.

Remember:



You refuse to try to understand the issue, because you dismiss that it can even exist.

Explain below professor

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/201908.0233/v1?fbclid=IwAR11RGO6S-fyct7JCCK4boSs9kwc5-hf_CCjDDcxZmpruLvaLljaYQQ5TWg

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Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles
Kevin H. Knuth * ORCID logo , Robert M. Powell , Peter A. Reali Version 1 : Received: 21 August 2019 / Approved: 22 August 2019 / Online: 22 August 2019 (11:50:30


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Abstract
A number of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) encountered by military, commercial, and civilian aircraft have been reported to be structured craft that exhibit 'impossible' flight characteristics. We consider a handful of well-documented encounters, including the 2004 encounters with the Nimitz Carrier Group off the coast of California, and estimate lower bounds on the accelerations exhibited by the craft during the observed maneuvers. Estimated accelerations range from almost 100g to 1000s of g's with no observed air disturbance, no sonic booms, and no evidence of excessive heat commensurate with even the minimal estimated energies. In accordance with observations, the estimated parameters describing the behavior of these craft are both anomalous and surprising. The extreme estimated flight characteristics reveal that these observations are either fabricated or seriously in error, or that these craft exhibit technology far more advanced than any known craft on Earth. In many cases, the number and quality of witnesses, the variety of roles they played in the encounters, and the equipment used to track and record the craft favor the latter hypothesis that these are indeed technologically advanced craft. The observed flight characteristics of these craft are consistent with the flight characteristics required for interstellar travel. That is, if these observed accelerations were sustainable in space, then these craft could easily reach relativistic speeds within a matter of minutes to hours and cover interstellar distances in a matter of days to weeks, proper time.


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Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 12/16/19 at 6:34 pm to
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Discussion

We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and 260 origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” 261 flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some 262 situations the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions. However, in each of these 263 cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they 264 involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots 265 and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, 266 the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the 267 reports greatly minimizes such risks. Moreover, the fact that the estimated accelerations of encounters 268 spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far 269 greater than one would expect further supports the accuracy of the reports. 270 The analysis aimed to estimate lower bounds on the acceleration. This was found by assuming 271 that the UAVs accelerated a constant rate. We worked to obtain conservative estimates by assigning 272 liberal uncertainties. It was found that the minimum acceleration estimates far exceeded (often by 273 orders of magnitude) those expected for an aircraft. A summary of the estimated accelerations is 274 provided in Table 2. The observed UAV accelerations range from about 70 g to well over 5000 g. For 275 comparison, humans can endure up to 45 g for 0.044 s with no injurious or debilitating effects, but this 276 limit decreases with increasing duration of exposure [27]. For durations more than 0.2 s the limit of 277 tolerance decreases to 25 g and it decreases further still for longer durations [27]. 278 These considerations suggest that these UAVs may not have been piloted, but instead may have 279 been remote controlled or autonomous. However, it should be noted that even equipment can only 280 handle so much acceleration. For example, the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II has maintained 281 structural integrity up to 13.5 g [28]. Missiles can handle much higher accelerations. The Crotale 282 NG VT1 missile has an airframe capable of withstanding 50 g and can maintain maneuverability up 283 to 35 g [29]. However, these accelerations are still only about half of the lowest accelerations that 284 we have estimated for these UAVs. The fact that these UAVs display no flight surfaces or apparent 285 propulsion mechanisms, and do not produce sonic booms or excessive heat that would be released 286 given the hundreds of GigaWatts of power that we expect should be involved (Fig 3C), strongly 287 suggests that these anomalous craft are taking advantage of technology, engineering, or physics that 288 we are unfamiliar with. For example, the Tic-Tac UAV dropping from 28000 ft to sea level in 0.78 s 289 involved at least 4.3 × 1011 J of energy (assuming a mass of 1000 kg), which is equivalent to about 100 290 tons of TNT, or the yield of 200 Tomahawk cruise missiles, released in 34 of a second. One would have 291 expected a catastrophic effect on the surrounding environment. This does not rule out the possibility 292 that these UAVs have been developed by governments, organizations, or individuals on Earth, but it 293 suggests that these UAVs and the technologies they employ may be of extraterrestrial origin. 294 That being said, it should be strongly emphasized that proving that something is extraterrestrial 295 is extremely difficult, even if one had a craft in hand. One might imagine that the presence of 296 unidentifiable, or incomprehensible, technology would constitute potential evidence.


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Conclusions
It is difficult to draw any useful conclusions at this point. We have characterized the accelerations 318 of a number of UAVs and have demonstrated that if they are craft then they are indeed anomalous, 319 displaying technical capabilities far exceeding those of our fastest aircraft and spacecraft. It is not clear 320 that these objects are extraterrestrial in origin, but it is extremely difficult to imagine that anyone on 321 Earth with such technology would not put it to use. Moreover, observations of similar UAPs go back 322 to well before the era of flight [1]. Collectively, these observations strongly suggest that these UAVs 323 should be carefully studied by scientists [9–13]. 324

Unfortunately, the attitude that the study of UAVs (UFOs) is “unscientific” pervades the scientific 325 community, including SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) [31], which is surprising, especially 326 since efforts are underway to search for extraterrestrial artifacts in the solar system [32–36], in particular, 327 on the Moon, Mars, asteroids [37], and at Earth-associated Lagrange points. Ironically, such attitudes 328 inhibit scientific study, perpetuating a state of ignorance about these phenomena that has persisted for 329 well over 70 years, and is now especially detrimental, since answers are presently needed [38–43].


Link to PDF at site above
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 12/16/19 at 7:13 pm to
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You refuse to try to understand the issue, because you dismiss that it can even exist.


I hate to judge you, but you may need to study some history to complement your reductionist science background







All revolutionary ideas are initially persecuted

Plato was well aware of this...



These themes are similar to Plato's allegory of the cave

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The Allegory of the Cave, or Plato's Cave, was presented by the Greek philosopher Plato in his work Republic (514a–520a) to compare "the effect of education (pa?de?a) and the lack of it on our nature". It is written as a dialogue between Plato's brother Glaucon and his mentor Socrates, narrated by the latter. The allegory is presented after the analogy of the sun (508b–509c) and the analogy of the divided line (509d–511e). All three are characterized in relation to dialectic at the end of Books VII and VIII (531d–534e).

Plato has Socrates describe a group of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall from objects passing in front of a fire behind them, and give names to these shadows. The shadows are the prisoners' reality. Socrates explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall are not reality at all, for he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the manufactured reality that is the shadows seen by the prisoners. The inmates of this place do not even desire to leave their prison; for they know no better life. The prisoners manage to break their bonds one day, and discover that their reality was not what they thought it was. They discovered the sun, which Plato uses as an analogy for the fire that man cannot see behind. Like the fire that cast light on the walls of the cave, the human condition is forever bound to the impressions that are received through the senses. Even if these interpretations (or, in Kantian terminology, intuitions) are an absurd misrepresentation of reality, we cannot somehow break free from the bonds of our human condition - we cannot free ourselves from phenomenal state just as the prisoners could not free themselves from their chains. If, however, we were to miraculously escape our bondage, we would find a world that we could not understand - the sun is incomprehensible for someone who has never seen it. In other words, we would encounter another "realm," a place incomprehensible because, theoretically, it is the source of a higher reality than the one we have always known; it is the realm of pure Form, pure fact.[1]


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Return to the cave[edit]
Plato continues, saying that the freed prisoner would think that the world outside the cave was superior to the world he experienced in the cave; "he would bless himself for the change, and pity [the other prisoners]" and would want to bring his fellow cave dwellers out of the cave and into the sunlight (516c).[3]

The returning prisoner, whose eyes have become accustomed to the sunlight, would be blind when he re-enters the cave, just as he was when he was first exposed to the sun (516e).[3] The prisoners, according to Plato, would infer from the returning man's blindness that the journey out of the cave had harmed him and that they should not undertake a similar journey. Socrates concludes that the prisoners, if they were able, would therefore reach out and kill anyone who attempted to drag them out of the cave (517a).[3]




Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:14 am to
More for the professor:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/alien-space-lights-unexplained-vanishing-star-vasco-a9248451.html?utm_source=reddit.com

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UNEXPLAINED LIGHTS IN SKY COULD BE ALIEN STRUCTURES OR ‘COMMUNICATION LASERS’, SCIENTISTS SAY

Vanishing, bright stars likely to be from 'natural, if somewhat extreme, astrophysical sources', say astronomers – but could change our understanding of the universe whatever they are
Andrew Griffin @_andrew_griffin 22 hours ago


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Scientists are investigating strange blinking lights in the sky for indications that they are signs of "interstellar communication lasers" or alien structures. A number of appearing and vanishing objects have been spotted among the stars and are puzzling the scientists who are trying to understand what they are.


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Whatever scientists find it likely to change our understanding of space, potentially ushering in a "new astrophysics", scientists said. "The implications of finding such objects extend from traditional astrophysics fields to the more exotic searches for evidence of technologically advanced civilisations," the authors write in the new paper.
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Posted on 12/17/19 at 9:36 am to
for later
Posted by LookSquirrel
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Posted on 12/17/19 at 9:39 am to
Appeal to Authority

argumentum ad verecundiam
(also known as: argument from authority, ipse dixit)
Description: Insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered. Also see the appeal to false authority.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:03 pm to
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Authority of the 4 laws of thermodynamics is nothing I have to appeal to, just apply...


Yeah, about that...

The universe appears to be rebuking you...

https://m.nautil.us/issue/79/catalysts/is-the-law-of-conservation-of-energy-cancelled

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MATTER | PHYSICS
Is the Law of Conservation of Energy Cancelled?
Maybe energy can be created and destroyed, or maybe the notion doesn’t quite make sense.

BY DANIEL SUDARSKY


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Daniel Sudarksy is a theoretical physicist at the National Autonomous University of México in Mexico City. He focuses on the interplay of Einstein’s general theory relativity and quantum physics, searching for clues about a deeper theory that my be unearthed by focusing on the friction points.


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But physics wouldn’t be physics if it did not continually question itself. Not long after Einstein derived his famous formula, he began to create a theory of gravitation, his general theory of relativity. Energy conservation became a bit dicey. Although individual observers can measure the energy density immediately around them and confirm that the total energy of localized systems remains constant, it is impossible to define an overall energy that is strictly conserved. It might sound strange to be able to define a local quantity of energy and not a global one. And it is.


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In short, we concluded that no scheme offers a reasonable definition of the global energy of a system that is strictly conserved. None offered a notion of local energy conservation, either—which is bad, because general relativity requires local energy conservation to be internally consistent.


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Dark energy is the mysterious component of the universe—some 70 percent of its total content—that is causing its expansion to accelerate. According to our analysis, dark energy is a sort of cumulative memory of all the violations of local energy conservation that have taken place in the universe’s history. In one of the specific models considered, the predicted value matches observations in a completely natural way. Of course, the situation is far from settled. The exploration of these and related issues is still in its infancy. But when we look anew at a principle we used to take for granted, we expect to continue being surprised by its implications.




Our current society is governed by blind faith in the “religion” of skeptical, reductionist science...

Still waiting on the professor to weigh in...
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 7:04 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:11 pm to
I will also remind the professor that all this is in the setting of this:

The 2nd pilot in the Nimitz encounter now speaking publicly...

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/tic-tac-ufo-video-q-and-a-with-navy-pilot-chad-underwood.html

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Navy Pilot Who Filmed the ‘Tic Tac’ UFO Speaks: ‘It Wasn’t Behaving by the Normal Laws of Physics’
By Matthew Phelan


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In the 15 years since Chad Underwood recorded a bizarre and erratic UFO — now called “the Tic Tac,” a name Underwood himself came up with — from the infrared camera on the left wing of his F/A-18 Super Hornet, he’s become a flight instructor, a civilian employee in the aerospace industry, and a father. But he has not yet spoken publicly about what he saw that day, even now, two years after his video made the front page of the New York Times. As he explained before speaking with Intelligencer, Underwood has mostly wanted to avoid having his name “attached to the ‘little green men’ crazies that are out there.”


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Was that named based on what you saw with your own eyes, or from looking at the screen on the camera?

No. I was more concentrated on looking at the FLIRAdvanced Targeting Forward Looking Infrared (ATFLIR) is an optical electric- and thermal-imaging system that was developed for U.S. Navy pilots by Raytheon in the late 1990s, mainly for the detection and identification of tactical targets and the delivery of autonomous precision targeting to smart weapons. In the mid-2000s, as well as today, ATFLIR was capable of detecting and tracking targets within a range of 40 nautical miles. . It was inside of 20 miles. You’re not going to see it with your own eyes until probably 10 miles, and then you’re not going to be able to visually track it until you’re probably inside of five miles, which is where Dave Fravor said that he saw it. So, at that point I didn’t see anything with my eyeballs. I was more concerned with tracking it, making sure that the videotape was on so that I could bring something back to the ship, so that the intel folks could dissect whatever it is that I captured. The thing that stood out to me the most was how erratic it was behaving. And what I mean by “erratic” is that its changes in altitude, air speed, and aspect were just unlike things that I’ve ever encountered before flying against other air targets. It was just behaving in ways that aren’t physically normal. That’s what caught my eye. Because, aircraft, whether they’re manned or unmanned, still have to obey the laws of physics. They have to have some source of lift, some source of propulsion. The Tic Tac was not doing that. It was going from like 50,000 feet to, you know, a hundred feet in like seconds, which is not possible.

And it was doing that during your engagement too?

Yes. That was the thing that was the most interesting to me: how erratic this thing wasJim Gillingham, an engineering consultant who worked on ATFLIR for Raytheon, suggested in an interview with Intelligencer that “if there were several things in the sky to look at, but none were quite where the pilot was trying to look,” it might produce erratic results, a glitch he’d experienced using the ATFLIR to track planes from the ground during development testing. “We ran into this when trying to get a lock and there were two aircraft climbing out. (LAX has four parallel runways). Sometimes the image would switch back and forth vigorously until we took steps to bias the lock some way.” . If it was obeying physics like a normal object that you would encounter in the sky — an aircraft, or a cruise missile, or some sort of special project that the government didn’t tell you about — that would have made more sense to me. The part that drew our attention was how it wasn’t behaving within the normal laws of physics. You’re up there flying, like, “Okay. It’s not behaving in a manner that’s predictable or is normal by how flying objects physically move.”


This is not some kook
Highly trained observer (corroborating other highly trained observers)

Explanations professor???
Posted by gatorsimz
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 5:57 am to
Trump casually dropped this gem during his rally a few days ago when talking about electric vs gas as an energy source:

“And by the way, there will be different forms of energy coming along.”

LINK
1:38:10 of video

Perhaps free energy from a Perpetual Motion Generator?
Posted by DMAN1968
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 7:06 am to
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Let me start by saying “we” (you and I) know nothing. This humble perspective is more appropriate to possess to truly “understand”.


You got yourself some kind of special religion going on there. What do you do for a living? How do you find the time?
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 7:14 am to
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no sonic booms


Interesting. Since sonic booms are more or less created by air disturbance as an object passes through it, then an object going this "speed" must also create one - unless it has figured out a way to not displace/disturb air molecules in any form. And if that was the case, then it could also pass through solids?
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:10 pm to
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You got yourself some kind of special religion going on there.



Not my religion...

But some of the ancient "beliefs" may not have been wrong (in a time when religion and science were one...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9YFaaXKbno

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Dark Matter, Aether, and the 5th Force of Nature - ROBERT SEPEHR
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Dark matter is a form of matter thought to account for approximately 85% of the matter in the universe and about a quarter of its total energy density, possibly being composed of some as-yet undiscovered subatomic particles. According to ancient alchemy and medieval science, aether or ether, also called quintessence, is an omnipresent material that permeates the entire universe. LINK

Now, scientists claim they have observed a fifth force of nature that could transform our understanding of how the universe works. Researchers at the Hungarian Academy of Sciences have published results that they claim could not be explained by the current understanding of physics.

The Madonna statues or paintings of Mary, generally found in Catholic and Orthodox countries, are often depicted with an esoteric significance linked to ancient alchemy, Medieval Christianity, Mary Magdalene, and an occult Pagan (Mother Goddess) symbology seen world wide.


Check out the name of the new particle (those who know will immediately get the synchronicity...)
Literally a new force of nature...

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/m7qqw3/scientists-are-searching-for-a-mysterious-force-to-explain-the-universes-anomalies

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Scientists Are Searching for a Mysterious Force to Explain the Universe’s Anomalies

Teams have looked for a "fifth force" in the universe within the Earth's mantle, ultra-vacuum chambers, and in hypothetical particles such as "X17." Finding it could help explain mysteries around dark matter and dark energy.

By Becky Ferreira
Dec 16 2019, 7:00am


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There are four forces that are canon in our universe: gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces. But scientists are searching for evidence of a new, unknown force that could explain some of the wildest mysteries facing humanity.

The effects of the four known forces on matter, from the tiny realm of atoms all the way up to the colossal scale of galaxies, are well documented and mostly understood. But when you consider that about 95 percent of our universe’s mass is made up of shadowy unexplained stuff known as dark matter and dark energy, it’s no wonder that scientists have long suspected that those four forces do not represent the entire blueprint of the cosmos.



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X17

The most recent effort to describe a new force comes from a team led by Attila Krasznahorkay, a physicist at the Institute of Nuclear Research of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences (ATOMKI). The researchers sparked international headlines with a study published on the arXiv preprint server in October, which is not yet peer-reviewed, that presents new evidence for a hypothetical subatomic object known as the X17 particle.


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If other teams are able to reproduce the results and come to the same conclusion, it could shed light on dark matter, because the particle’s parameters fit some theories about fifth forces associated with this non-luminous substance.

“All of our knowledge about the visible world can be described by the so-called Standard Model of particle physics,” Krasznahorkay said in an email. “This model, however, does not predict any particles heavier than the electron and lighter than the muon, which is 207 times heavier than the electron.”

“If one finds a new particle in the above mass window, than it would point to some new interaction not included in the Standard Model,” he added.

That’s exactly the type of particle that Krasznahorkay’s team think they may have stumbled across. This object is named X17 for its estimated mass of 17 mega-electron volts (MeV), or about 34 times heavier than an electron—the sweet spot for a potential mediator of a fifth force.



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What do you do for a living?


I help people un-frick themselves...


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How do you find the time?


Never seem to find the time...

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:14 pm to
OP believes every conspiracy out there.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:17 pm to
What are the energy technologies? Please elaborate.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:21 pm to
You're livin a lie, TIMMY...
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:22 pm to
Let's discuss one of the new energy technologies...is that possible?
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:27 pm to
Not specified by the US Air Force General

Trump was also vague in speech posted above (but did state new energy sources)

This was posted earlier in the thread:


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29232/navys-advanced-aerospace-tech-boss-claims-key-ufo-patent-is-operable

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Navy's Advanced Aerospace Tech Boss Claims Key 'UFO' Patent Is Operable

Navy officials claim their radical electromagnetic and superconductor technologies aren't theoretical, they’re already operable in some form.

BY BRETT TINGLEY
AUGUST 2, 2019


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Last month, The War Zone reported on a series of strange patent applications the U.S. Navy has filed over the last few years and questioned what their connections may be with the ongoing saga of Navy personnel reporting incidents involving unidentified objects in or near U.S. airspace.

We have several active Freedom of Information Act requests with the Department of Navy to pursue more information related to the research that led to these patents. As those are being processed, we've continued to dig through the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office's (USPTO) Public Patent Application Information Retrieval database to get as much context for these patents as possible.


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In doing so, we came across documents that seem to suggest, at least by the Navy's own claims, that two highly peculiar Navy patents, the room temperature superconductor (RTSC) and the high-energy electromagnetic field generator (HEEMFG), may in fact already be in operation in some manner. The inventor of the Navy's most bizarre patent, the straight-out-of-science fiction-sounding hybrid aerospace/underwater craft, describes that craft as leveraging the same room temperature superconductor technology and high energy electromagnetic fields to enable its unbelievable speed and maneuverability. If those two technologies are already operable as the Navy claims, could this mean the hybrid craft may also already operable or close to operable? Or is this just more evidence that the whole exotic 'UFO' patent endeavor on the Navy's behalf is some sort of ruse or even gross mismanagement of resources?


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All of these technologies - the room temperature superconductor, the high-energy electromagnetic field generator, and the hybrid aerospace/underwater craft (HUAC) - are inventions of the same NAWCAD aerospace engineer, the aforementioned Salvatore Cezar Pais. Our previous article on the Navy’s patents explored the hybrid craft and whether or not it could be related to other developments such as Navy pilots reporting strange objects in U.S. airspace during training exercises and members of Congress now asking for answers on UFOs.


Speculation is electrogravitic (antigravity)
vs deriving energy from the vacuum (zero-point energy / free energy)
This post was edited on 12/20/19 at 1:30 pm
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:28 pm to
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Let's discuss one of the new energy technologies...is that possible?


That's what I want to know. He said just enough to clue us in that changes are coming. Hiding in plain sight.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:31 pm to
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Speculation is electrogravitic (antigravity)
vs deriving energy from the vacuum (zero-point energy / free energy)



Are there any physics books that teach the science behind these concepts?
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