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re: South Carolina Supreme Court rules state consitution contains right to privacy, abortion
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:28 pm to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:28 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:
No but it has the right to not allow the purchase/sale/ production of birth control,
States? Why?
Why wouldn't that authority apply to regulating the population's behavior?
quote:
You want to re-introduce lobotomies? Oh I guess we did something similar with mutilating children for gender religion.
I mean, I don't want to say it but...it seems you typed those word rather....furiously
We are having a calm, rational discussion. I'm answering a psychologist's question about legal matters. We don't need histrionics.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why wouldn't that authority apply to regulating the population's behavior?
Because it doesn't?
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I mean, I don't want to say it but...it seems you typed those word rather....furiously
You meant to say ," matter of fact-ly"
Keep trying.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:34 pm to FooManChoo
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Absolutely evil. A right to privacy means privacy to kill your child?
Exactly.
So if a husband and wife get into a disagreement about finances and the husband kills the wife, the state can’t do anything because of privacy?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
We are having a calm, rational discussion.
Just have to add an
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:40 pm to Eurocat
So the right of privacy overrides the right of life.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:40 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:
Because it doesn't?
I asked why
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:The histrionics do get tiresome, don't they?
We are having a calm, rational discussion. I'm answering a psychologist's question about legal matters. We don't need histrionics.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
And I didn't realize we had to go all the way back and justify regulation of medicine.
Do we?
Do we?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:46 pm to Turbeauxdog
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And I didn't realize we had to go all the way back and justify regulation of medicine.
Do we?
This discussion isn't about justification. It's about authority.
Specifically it's about putative authority and the differences in how that putative authority are able to be manifested as actual authority (to regulate the sale of medicine v. the regulation of taking certain medicines)
You stated there was authority for banning sale of certain meds but not the authority to ban the use of those meds. How? Based on what?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:48 pm to themunch
quote:You are ASSUMING that a fetus has rights, which are not recognized in any jurisdiction.
So the right of privacy overrides the right of life.
In your mind, the fight is about a putative "right to life," but LEGALLY that has never been the nature of the fight.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:52 pm to AggieHank86
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You are ASSUMING that a fetus has rights,
In as much as they are assuming the right to privacy is inclusive of the right to abort a life.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 2:54 pm to themunch
quote:They spend 147 pages explaining their rationale.quote:In as much as they are assuming the right to privacy is inclusive of the right to abort a life.
You are ASSUMING that a fetus has rights,
Agree or disagree with their analysis, but they didn't just pull it out of their asses.
As I understand it, SC selects its judges through an election in the legislature, and the GOP controls the legislature. So, these are judges selected by the GOP.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:00 pm to AggieHank86
quote:That's where the fight needs to be had, legally.
You are ASSUMING that a fetus has rights, which are not recognized in any jurisdiction.
In your mind, the fight is about a putative "right to life," but LEGALLY that has never been the nature of the fight.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:04 pm to AggieHank86
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They spend 147 pages explaining their rationale. Agree or disagree with their analysis, but they didn't just pull it out of their asses.
That’s a non sequitur.
And the decision probably didn’t come out of their arse, it came out of their desire to keep abortion legal. Any “legal analysis” was done after the decision was reached, just like Roe.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:06 pm to themunch
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In as much as they are assuming the right to privacy is inclusive of the right to abort a life.
They are more declaring than assuming
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:06 pm to FooManChoo
quote:But that should never BE a legal fight. It is a philosophical/policy question, not a jurisprudential one. THAT fight belongs in the statehouse, not the courthouse.
You are ASSUMING that a fetus has rights, which are not recognized in any jurisdiction.
In your mind, the fight is about a putative "right to life," but LEGALLY that has never been the nature of the fight.quote:
That's where the fight needs to be had, legally.
Is it, or is it not, good public policy to grant legal rights to a fetus and to thereby restrict the rights of women?
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We are having a calm, rational discussion.
Babies are being dismembered in their mother’s womb. How can you expect calmness?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:18 pm to jnethe1
quote:The same way that rational people are expected to have a calm discussion of ANY topic involving the loss of life.
Babies are being dismembered in their mother’s womb. How can you expect calmness?
Or they can just primal-scream or maybe hold their breath to the point of losing consciousness.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:29 pm to FooManChoo
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Absolutely evil. A right to privacy means privacy to kill your child?
"LEAVE IT UP TO THE STATES TO DECIDE!"
**STATE MAKES DECISION I DON'T LIKE**
"NO WE NEED MORE GOVERNMENT!"
Posted on 1/6/23 at 3:34 pm to Byron Bojangles III
quote:1. I'm not a states-rights advocate when it comes to abortion, just like I wouldn't be one in regards to slavery, for instance. There are some things that should be protected across all states, and the protection of life of innocents is one of them.
"LEAVE IT UP TO THE STATES TO DECIDE!"
**STATE MAKES DECISION I DON'T LIKE**
"NO WE NEED MORE GOVERNMENT!"
2. "More government"? Government's primary role is to provide justice for its people. I think protecting the lives of the unborn falls under that category. I think government should stay out of a lot of things, but I don't think it should sit back and let children be killed.
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