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re: Soldiers Hate the M4 and M16. The Pentagon Is Finally Doing Something about It.

Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:02 pm to
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:02 pm to
Poseurs use it, maybe.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127389 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:03 pm to
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I think you're full of shite.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:04 pm to
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Let me say this as clearly as possible:
sounds good, Sarge

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Joes bitch about...


everything. here's some hot dope about joe: he's also a fricking retard.

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the weapon jams, especially in the desert where particles of dirt create such issues (no matter how much CLP you slather in it)


I'll give you some more dope: dont let joe have the whole bottle of CLP, because he will do something dumb, like "slather" his bolt with it. You can and should lubricate an M4 with 3 or so drop (yes, drops) of oil. doing otherwise is retarded, and not necessary at all.

despite Joe's tendency to be an idiot, the M4 is still incredibly reliable, even in the sand, where apparently it takes Jessica Lynch levels of POG to make that system unreliable. basic maintenance, oil. 5 minutes a week, tops.

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the stopping power sucks


let's pretend this is the case. so what? "stopping power" isn't the attribute we are looking for with the primary weapon system. I explained this already.

Aside from all the objective data pointing to the superiority of the AR/5.56 Round in this context, ill also throw in some anecdotal truth. i dont know a single professional soldier who dislikes the AR or the 5.56, and I don't know anyone who would take complaints of "stopping power" seriously.




This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 7:05 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:06 pm to
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I don't know anyone who would take complaints of "stopping power" seriously.


Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:06 pm to
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So, you’ve heard the screech, eh? It’s sort of a catch 22. The very thing that makes that platform more precise (close tolerances and precision milling of the bcg) is one of the reasons it jams in the sand


there is plenty of play in service rifles. barring a catastrophic mishandling of a weapon, it functions wonderfully with basic cleaning and oil.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:08 pm to
I wouldn't have to kick shite about beltway crap if I could argue about gear as much as you groundpounders.

Never see any two Navy guys disagreeing about what a piece of crap CIWS is or how the F-35 sucks even worse than Hornets (which were far inferior to Tomcats).

Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127389 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:08 pm to
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sounds good, Sarge
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here's some hot dope about joe: he's also a fricking retard.
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Jessica Lynch levels of POG


You made my night brother
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:09 pm to
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no matter how much CLP you slather in it


This is how I knew he was full of shite.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127389 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:11 pm to
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Never see any two Navy guys disagreeing
It’s a hobby
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:11 pm to


I can argue about pens like a POG, too.

If you use anything other than a black Pilot G-2 in 0.7mm, go frick yourself.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:16 pm to
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I can argue about pens like a POG, too.

If you use anything other than a black Pilot G-2 in 0.7mm, go frick yourself.
Cross Tech4. I needed black, blue, and red options.

Lotta shite to wreck.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127389 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:19 pm to
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Lotta shite to wreck.
My boss at Schofield Barracks (91-94) (MAJ, USMA grad) would mark my memorandums with a frownie face like I was in kindergarten
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:20 pm to
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Cross Tech4


Hipster, civilian bullshite.

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blue, and red


If God wanted blue or red pens, he'd have made blue and red pens.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:25 pm to
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My boss at Schofield Barracks (91-94) (MAJ, USMA grad) would mark my memorandums with a frownie face like I was in kindergarten


My immediate boss (a 39 yo SES-2) uses big blue font. He takes hard copies, scans them in, and then overlays big blue typed font. It's incredible.

This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 7:26 pm
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:26 pm to
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Hipster, civilian bullshite.
To be fair, it was a gift. I don't think they make it anymore.

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If God wanted blue or red pens, he'd have made blue and red pens.
How do you (1) sign your name, and (2) tell people how wrong they are?
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26666 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:28 pm to
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I think you're full of shite.


You got me...

I would be interested to hear who has actually fired the weapon at something other than a target or a deer.

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Poseurs use it, maybe


Oh shite, We got a bad arse! What was your MOS?

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This is how I knew he was full of shite.


You know I am full of shite because I used hyperbole?
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 7:32 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138920 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:31 pm to
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My immediate boss (a 39 yo SES-2) uses big blue font. He takes hard copies, scans them in, and then overlays big blue typed font. It's incredible.

There's that DoD efficiency at work
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127389 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 7:58 pm to
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Navytiger74
My brother
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
9146 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:04 pm to


Crew Chief pencil FTW....circle red x...aircraft restricted from pilotage by WOJ.
Posted by Pechon
unperson
Member since Oct 2011
7748 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 8:08 pm to
Everybody knows the only good pen is the Skilcraft brand retractable ballpoint pen. They're durable, easy to acquire, and you can even make a little gun out of it.

You can even buy them from Amazon. I intend on buying a pack as I miss them so.
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