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Socrates & Democracy. Why he hated Democracy.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:57 pm
So I do study political theories and I have a profound interest in them and how thinkers in the past thought about politics.
One that I really like is Socrates and democracy. Socrates was not a huge fan of democracy and like most of you know, it was a democracy that led to the death of Socrates.
Now imagine a candy seller and a student staff in a high school election, the candy seller entices the people with candy and then says of the bad things the student staff does. What argument does the student staff have to counter? If he says he is doing it all for the good of his fellow students they will attack him.
I bring this up because this is the same case with modern America today, people involving themselves in policies that have nothing to do with them. If 30 people on this board were on a ship and they wanted to select a captain, do they elect the person with the most knowledge on riding a ship or do they elect their best friend?
Why are people so deeply invested in what a woman should do with her baby? We say these kids protesting have no knowledge about Guns and shouldn't be doing so, no male on this board has ever been pregnant yet they feel they should have the right on pro-life or pro-choice. I just think it is interesting how what Socrates thought about years ago resonates today.
Let's discuss because I find it interesting.
One that I really like is Socrates and democracy. Socrates was not a huge fan of democracy and like most of you know, it was a democracy that led to the death of Socrates.
Now imagine a candy seller and a student staff in a high school election, the candy seller entices the people with candy and then says of the bad things the student staff does. What argument does the student staff have to counter? If he says he is doing it all for the good of his fellow students they will attack him.
I bring this up because this is the same case with modern America today, people involving themselves in policies that have nothing to do with them. If 30 people on this board were on a ship and they wanted to select a captain, do they elect the person with the most knowledge on riding a ship or do they elect their best friend?
Why are people so deeply invested in what a woman should do with her baby? We say these kids protesting have no knowledge about Guns and shouldn't be doing so, no male on this board has ever been pregnant yet they feel they should have the right on pro-life or pro-choice. I just think it is interesting how what Socrates thought about years ago resonates today.
Let's discuss because I find it interesting.
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Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:58 pm to agregime1
How old are you boy
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:58 pm to agregime1
I think this board is such good research, why are the members of the board such conservatives but yet stray away from the thinking of the founding fathers who were insanely smart.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:59 pm to GregMaddux
20. I just like to study the psychological part of Politics.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:59 pm to agregime1
Yea.
We know.
Take a seat in the back
Eta. And keep your mouth shut while you're learnin
We know.
Take a seat in the back
Eta. And keep your mouth shut while you're learnin
This post was edited on 3/25/18 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:00 pm to agregime1
Just how high are you?
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:00 pm to agregime1
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Why are people so deeply invested in what a woman should do with her baby? We say these kids protesting have no knowledge about Guns and shouldn't be doing so, no male on this board has ever been pregnant yet they feel they should have the right on pro-life or pro-choice. I just think it is interesting how what Socrates thought about years ago resonates today.
Ok, do you think the father should have a say in an abortion?
This post was edited on 3/25/18 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:05 pm to agregime1
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Why are people so deeply invested in what a woman should do with her baby?
So there's no such thing as fatherhood.
Good talk.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:05 pm to agregime1
Glad we're a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy 
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:06 pm to agregime1
quote:
So I do study political theories and I have a profound interest in them and how thinkers in the past thought about politics.
One that I really like is Socrates and democracy. Socrates was not a huge fan of democracy and like most of you know, it was a democracy that led to the death of Socrates.
Now imagine a candy seller and a student staff in a high school election, the candy seller entices the people with candy and then says of the bad things the student staff does. What argument does the student staff have to counter? If he says he is doing it all for the good of his fellow students they will attack him.
I bring this up because this is the same case with modern America today, people involving themselves in policies that have nothing to do with them. If 30 people on this board were on a ship and they wanted to select a captain, do they elect the person with the most knowledge on riding a ship or do they elect their best friend?
Why are people so deeply invested in what a woman should do with her baby? We say these kids protesting have no knowledge about Guns and shouldn't be doing so, no male on this board has ever been pregnant yet they feel they should have the right on pro-life or pro-choice. I just think it is interesting how what Socrates thought about years ago resonates today.
Let's discuss because I find it interesting.
I have some concerns about you.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:07 pm to agregime1
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I think this board is such good research, why are the members of the board such conservatives but yet stray away from the thinking of the founding fathers who were insanely smart.
Confirmed.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:07 pm to agregime1
Electing friends? Even at local elections candidates don't have enough friends to get elected. You keep using the very small numbers that don't work in actual government elections.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:08 pm to agregime1
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20. I just like to study the psychological part of Politics
You're dumb.
Come back in 10 years.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:08 pm to agregime1
what does murdering babies have to do with democracy?
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:10 pm to agregime1
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Why are people so deeply invested in what a woman should do with her baby? ....no male on this board has ever been pregnant yet they feel they should have the right on pro-life or pro-choice.
People are deeply invested because we are made financially invested. If you are going to require me to help fund it then expect me to voice my opinion on the matter.
And if it is "her" baby and her decision alone what to do with it, should she pay for the abortion herself. Then, if she decides to keep the baby then she should not be able to demand child support for "her" baby either.
And I am not even talking about the morality of doing such.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:14 pm to agregime1
If you're looking for a genuine reply:
I am not particularly socially conservative and don't care a great deal about many of the issues that most Republicans do, but if you accept, for whatever reason (be it philosophical, moral, religious, whatever) the philosophical proposition that life begins at conception, then all philosophical decisions on a decision tree flow from there. The economic and social circumstances of the mother, the underpinnings of individual liberty of everyone involved, the physical labor, etc. become secondary to the right to life of the baby. The only consideration that supersedes the baby's right to life in this context is the mother's right to life.
There's a culture of death in the West that the pro-choice people only see one side of (death penalty) and the pro-life people only see one side (abortion). The value of a human life dissipates in both scenarios, yet neither can see it.
Another way to put it within your proposition: the vast majority of the American public has absolutely not a single clue as to what war, combat, and foreign policy in general really is like, yet civilian command over the military is a perfectly desirable outcome and something which we have held dear for more than two centuries. How is that any different?
I am not particularly socially conservative and don't care a great deal about many of the issues that most Republicans do, but if you accept, for whatever reason (be it philosophical, moral, religious, whatever) the philosophical proposition that life begins at conception, then all philosophical decisions on a decision tree flow from there. The economic and social circumstances of the mother, the underpinnings of individual liberty of everyone involved, the physical labor, etc. become secondary to the right to life of the baby. The only consideration that supersedes the baby's right to life in this context is the mother's right to life.
There's a culture of death in the West that the pro-choice people only see one side of (death penalty) and the pro-life people only see one side (abortion). The value of a human life dissipates in both scenarios, yet neither can see it.
Another way to put it within your proposition: the vast majority of the American public has absolutely not a single clue as to what war, combat, and foreign policy in general really is like, yet civilian command over the military is a perfectly desirable outcome and something which we have held dear for more than two centuries. How is that any different?
This post was edited on 3/25/18 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:16 pm to agregime1
Well then it is a good thing WE DO NOT HAVE A "DEMOCRACY", isn't it?
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:18 pm to agregime1
It sounds like you have a lot to learn. I’d recommend starting by watching this:
The American Form of Government
The American Form of Government
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:43 pm to agregime1
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no male on this board has ever been pregnant yet they feel they should have the right on pro-life or pro-choice
No female has ever accidentally concieved a child without the DNA of a male.
If women have the sole say in whether to kill or "keep" a child, then "equal protection under the law" would allow men to abandon their responsibilities for their unwanted children.
Is it worse to force someone to carry a child for 9 months, or to force someone to labor for 18 years to support a child he didn't want? Men's bodies aren't public property, fascist.
This post was edited on 3/25/18 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 3/25/18 at 11:27 pm to agregime1
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Why are people so deeply invested in what a woman should do with her baby? We say these kids protesting have no knowledge about Guns and shouldn't be doing so, no male on this board has ever been pregnant yet they feel they should have the right on pro-life or pro-choice.
Man, you have a long way to go in learning how to properly apply the concepts you are reading about.
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