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re: So Ukraine is threatening the US at this point to get aid

Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:39 pm to
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:39 pm to
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Is that why the bill includes 23 billion to replenish the junk stock piles?



How much of that is to replenish arms directly given to Ukraine? What percentange of the total amount given is that number? 20%? So yea it was a lot of stuff that was mothballed. The point of his question was is this a leftist plot to SIGNIFICANTLY weaken the US by draining our strategic stock piles. Our strategic stock piles are not drained. Being low on 155mm shells isnt leaving us without the ability to fight a war
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 4:30 pm to
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US told them stop hitting oil referneries because it'll drive up oil prices

Ukraine told the US we won't stop until you gives us aid

They keep telling us if you get give them aid Americans will have to die fighting Russia
This is essentially what Israel is doing. Threatening the Biden admin and the UK to provide aid or they'll start nuclear war with Iran. We're essentially being blackmailed for unen



I think you meant to say Iran. Israel has never threatened nuclear war that I can ever recall. I also don't remember Israel ever threatening death to america, gays, adulterers, christians, or jews. It would be wonderful if the media, the sheep that follow them, and the politicians controlled by them would just be a little less ignorant in the "Causes" they get behind. frick Palestine
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 4:33 pm to
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I wish they would blow the whistle on Joe and Hunter. I'd gladly pay to see that.


Zeelenskee had a decision in 2020, give the Trump administration the goods on Ukraine/US corruption or side with the Bureaucratic State/DC Uniparty Globalists.......tough decision, Zeelenskee made the wrong choice.
Posted by RaoulDuke504
Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 5:02 pm to
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I assume you meant not....Russia's is especially not well equipped relative to the technology other nations have to detect them.


Yes Russia one a few countries who can launch satellites, has nukes, and consistently goes to orbit are too dumb to keep up with modern tech something 90% of Europe has never done
Posted by RaoulDuke504
Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 5:04 pm to
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How much of that is to replenish arms directly given to Ukraine? What percentange of the total amount given is that number? 20%? So yea it was a lot of stuff that was mothballed. The point of his question was is this a leftist plot to SIGNIFICANTLY weaken the US by draining our strategic stock piles. Our strategic stock piles are not drained. Being low on 155mm shells isnt leaving us without the ability to fight a war

So what’s this?


This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 5:06 pm
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
5614 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 5:13 pm to
Ukraine just needs to be patient. They are going to get the money.
Posted by ShinerHorns
El Paso
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 5:15 pm to
The fact the western media tries to paint Putin as the bad guy in all of this tells us all we need to know.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 5:30 pm to
We became their "ally" in this instance as we guaranteed to help protect their sovereignty in exchange for giving up their nukes.

After the Wall fell and the Soviet Union dissolved, my hope was that the US would have at least a reduced role in NATO, if not withdraw, so that the Europeans could handle their own affairs at their own expense.

Unfortunately, the USG thought otherwise.

But despite your hatred for Zelensky, he has a point - "you promised to help and you are doing half-measures".....

Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
7348 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:43 am to
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So what’s this?


You obviously didnt even read the article if you think this is in any way a good rebuttal to what I said The Cold War ended in 1991. Thats 33 years of arms reduction by NATO and the US...only 2 of which we've been sending arms to Ukraine.

So let me ask you..do you think NATO is dangerously low on arms?
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 8:54 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261332 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:45 am to
Trump supports Aid to Ukraine.

Its seems his minions are late to the party.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
7348 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:59 am to
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Trump supports Aid to Ukraine.

Its seems his minions are late to the party.



It seems to me that his supporters seem to believe in peace through strength and also believe in being isolationist. I cant figure that one out.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261332 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 9:00 am to
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It seems to me that his supporters seem to believe in peace through strength and also believe in being isolationist. I cant figure that one out.


Honestly, they dont realize Trump supports the war effort for Ukraine. They dont give a shite about issues.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
7348 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:08 am to
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Yes Russia one a few countries who can launch satellites, has nukes, and consistently goes to orbit are too dumb to keep up with modern tech something 90% of Europe has never done


You seem to be personally offended that I point out a specific vulnerability. Its not that they are dumb, they just have not yet developed a way to consistently defend against these attacks. There are vulnerabilities that every military has to contend with and make adjustments. Perhaps take some time to learn about why Russian air defense is particularly vulnerable.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
7348 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:10 am to
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Honestly, they dont realize Trump supports the war effort for Ukraine.


Is he? I cant really tell what his foreign policy is or possibly will be regarding Ukraine or Israel.
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