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re: So now it's Trump's fault ISIS is regrouping.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:57 am to Manzielathon
Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:57 am to Manzielathon
Like Shia and Sunni were. Hell two villages won't even work together.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 11:59 am to Manzielathon
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No, my post is implying that over time the internal conflicts within Islam will be less prominent and that Islam is not inherently different from Christianity or Judaism when it comes to diversity of theological opinions and perspectives, or the extremism that inhabits that spectrum.
You were accurate until you got to “extremism”, then you went full retard. Never go full retard.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:00 pm to Jbird
Not working together is vastly different than massacring each other.
Hell people in our own country barely get along and politicians frequently refuse to work together. Often times states don’t cooperate, etc.
Hell people in our own country barely get along and politicians frequently refuse to work together. Often times states don’t cooperate, etc.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:01 pm to KosmoCramer
Most of them are just going about their days trying to do the best they can for their families, just like most people here. Both groups also have fanatics who frick things up for the rest. A couple of our mentally ill assholes recently went on shooting sprees, a couple of their mentally ill assholes recently blew up a wedding. We need to get rid of mentally ill assholes.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:02 pm to Manzielathon
Never mentioned merely working together.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:02 pm to Flats
Yes, because people shooting up abortion clinics, synagogues, and firebombing churches couldn’t POSSIBLY be construed as extremism, right?
You realize there are quite a few extremist Jewish movements in Israel that the U.S. considers to be terrorist organizations?
You’re an idiot.
You realize there are quite a few extremist Jewish movements in Israel that the U.S. considers to be terrorist organizations?
You’re an idiot.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:08 pm to Manzielathon
You seem pretty emotionally rolled up in this.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:09 pm to Jbird
Then what the frick is your point? It seems like you’ll never be satisfied because your benchmark for harmony is arbitrary and constantly moving.
Perhaps harmony is the wrong word. Nothing will ever be 100% perfect. American Protestants and Catholics still dislike each other at the end of the day too.
There are religious minorities in just about every MENA country. They live in relative harmony because the majority of society isn’t out to get them and doesn’t mind their presence, even if they disagree with their religion and lifestyle and generally views them as other.
Just because Coptic Christians get targeted by a handful of extremists every year doesn’t somehow undermine the fact that for the most part Egypt’s population gets along with one another just fine.
Even Lebanon that endured a bloody sectarian civil war is a pretty safe place to be right now, despite literally bordering Syria and Israel and having a crazy amount of religious and ethnic diversity. Sure, the government doesn’t get shite done and the people still dislike each other, but they aren’t murdering each other en masse.
Perhaps harmony is the wrong word. Nothing will ever be 100% perfect. American Protestants and Catholics still dislike each other at the end of the day too.
There are religious minorities in just about every MENA country. They live in relative harmony because the majority of society isn’t out to get them and doesn’t mind their presence, even if they disagree with their religion and lifestyle and generally views them as other.
Just because Coptic Christians get targeted by a handful of extremists every year doesn’t somehow undermine the fact that for the most part Egypt’s population gets along with one another just fine.
Even Lebanon that endured a bloody sectarian civil war is a pretty safe place to be right now, despite literally bordering Syria and Israel and having a crazy amount of religious and ethnic diversity. Sure, the government doesn’t get shite done and the people still dislike each other, but they aren’t murdering each other en masse.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:09 pm to Manzielathon
Once the Ottomans were checked at sea in the Med, and by land in pretty much all directions it began a centuries long decline. Yeah it got exacerbated by the UK in WWI, but they don't have the centuries long colonialism that happened elsewhere.
Britain should have drawn better borders more respective of the tribalism and culture but they were already in eat each mode for several generations before the last gasp of the Ottomans
Britain should have drawn better borders more respective of the tribalism and culture but they were already in eat each mode for several generations before the last gasp of the Ottomans
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:13 pm to Jbird
I’m emotional about it because I have dedicated my life to the study of the region and contributing to solving ethnic and religious violence and thus preventing the need for American intervention and ultimately saving American blood and treasure.
Yet the people on this board who have never left the state of Louisiana think they are somehow the true experts on Islam and International Politics. It’s ridiculous.
Yet the people on this board who have never left the state of Louisiana think they are somehow the true experts on Islam and International Politics. It’s ridiculous.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:13 pm to Manzielathon
I don't know I guess one village shooting at another seemed excessive whilst in that heaven called the middle East. Or finding young boys that were purchased as camel jockeys that hit puberty and we're too heavy and we're driven out into the desert and dropped off starving skews ones outlook on the Arabs.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:18 pm to Jbird
I’m assuming your referring to Iraq, a country we destroyed then chose to prop up one specific religious group that held dominion over others.
Or you’re just referring to the tribal nature of the Peninsula. Which is a completely different conversation than a discussion about religion.
Or you’re just referring to the tribal nature of the Peninsula. Which is a completely different conversation than a discussion about religion.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:20 pm to Manzielathon
The kids were Qatar and UAE of course SA can eat a bag of Dick's as well. The villages were in lovely afg. Kuwait was a real fun place as well. Allah Willing of course.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:22 pm to Manzielathon
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I’m assuming your referring to Iraq, a country we destroyed then chose to prop up one specific religious group that held dominion over others.
They were doing that long before we showed up. Sectarian violence has been a cultural cornerstone for centuries in that region.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:24 pm to Jbird
Gotcha. Yeah, the Peninsula fricking blows. frick those people. The ones in America are the worst people I’ve ever encountered. I won’t even get started on Central / South Asian bullshite.
All of my experience on the ground is in the Levant, which is considerably different and historically more diverse, and has been interacting with the West for literal millennia.
All of my experience on the ground is in the Levant, which is considerably different and historically more diverse, and has been interacting with the West for literal millennia.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:26 pm to Manzielathon
Allah willing you have a good day.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:27 pm to upgrayedd
Incidents of sectarian violence are completely different than whole scale campaigns aimed at eliminating other groups of people.
Iraq had many, many Jews and Christians for centuries and centuries. Who -relatively speaking- got along just fine in society.
The rise of sectarianism and religious extremism at the levels we see today can be directly tied to the suppression of nationalist movements, the rise of the Gulf Oil states, and American interventionism.
Iraq had many, many Jews and Christians for centuries and centuries. Who -relatively speaking- got along just fine in society.
The rise of sectarianism and religious extremism at the levels we see today can be directly tied to the suppression of nationalist movements, the rise of the Gulf Oil states, and American interventionism.
This post was edited on 8/19/19 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:29 pm to Manzielathon
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The rise of sectarianism and religious extremism at the levels we see today can be directly tied to the suppression of nationalist movements, the rise of the Gulf Oil states, and American interventionism.
Sounds like 2/3 of your issue lies with the UK, not the US.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:32 pm to upgrayedd
Yes, UK and France started a majority of this mess.
They handed the reins over to us and we have been continuing their policies of insanity.
Sykes-Picot fricked us all. Turning a blind eye to Salafis and Wahabbis in the name profit has also been a great detriment to the region and world at large.
They handed the reins over to us and we have been continuing their policies of insanity.
Sykes-Picot fricked us all. Turning a blind eye to Salafis and Wahabbis in the name profit has also been a great detriment to the region and world at large.
Posted on 8/19/19 at 12:38 pm to Manzielathon
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To defeat the enemy you have to know the enemy.
We will never defeat Islamic extremists if we have to rely on the kind of people that inhabit this board.
Well said.
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