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re: So in this civil Trump trial
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:25 pm to bayoudude
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:25 pm to bayoudude
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Has the prosecution paid for independent appraisals by multiple third parties to refute President Trump’s claims? Or are they basing it on their own personal assumptions arrived at through jealousy and hatred of the man?
Most likely the latter.
And even if it was the former it's still malicious prosecution because I guarantee every person with any sort of assets in America has done exactly what Trump did.
As I have typed for the third time now.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 3:30 pm
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:27 pm to RedStickFox
OK. now you have to prove that those values were intentionally fraudulent (good luck) and used in the underwriting of a loan where Trump assumed the liability for the bank's risk of that value. Then you could take it to federal criminal court.
or I could just ignore tf out of you because you dont even understand that banks dont lend 9 figures based on the borrower's "word".
or I could just ignore tf out of you because you dont even understand that banks dont lend 9 figures based on the borrower's "word".
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:33 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:That's exactly what just happened in the court case. They had his own employees come in and testify.
OK. now you have to prove that those values were intentionally fraudulent (good luck) and used in the underwriting of a loan where Trump assumed the liability for the bank's risk of that value.
But hell, I'm just happy that you are finally able to admit that you can't lie on financial forms. Most Trumpists can't admit that they are wrong like you just did. So thanks.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:36 pm to RedStickFox
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That's exactly what just happened in the court case.
no its not.
first of all, this isnt a federal criminal case.
second of all, the alleged "defrauded" in this case are not plaintiffs and there are no victims making claims of fraud.
Third of all, you have repeatedly expressed a shocking ignorance to how banks work.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:38 pm to RedStickFox
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That's exactly what just happened in the court case.
So you are saying the "lawfare" is real and justified against OMB. Gotcha.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:39 pm to Warboo
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Again you are estimating or relying on hear say.
Hearsay? There was just a court case where dozens of people testified under oath and hundreds of documents were gone through. It's not hearsay. You are simply denying reality.
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I have never heard of anyone actually being brought to court for incorrect info. on a loan application until now.
Google it. Happens all the time from what I can tell.
quote:
Loan Fraud Defendant’s Lies and False Documents Qualify Him for Five Years in Prison
LINK
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:40 pm to Warboo
he's a "true believer" who wants the narratives to be real so badly, that he'll come here and make himself look like an absolute arse trying to convince people who know better.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:41 pm to RedStickFox
LOL with that link.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:41 pm to Vacherie Saint
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everything you just typed is a lie. like a very laughably bad lie.
Look, you've already told me numerous times on this board that it's not illegal to lie on financial documents for a loan only for you to finally admit that it is illegal.
How about you quit acting like you know what you are talking about? You might have worked for a bank, you might have filled out and stamped some documents, but you simply don't know the law. Quit acting like you do.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:43 pm to bayoudude
quote:What you hopefully meant to ask is "Did the lenders, whom Trump supposedly defrauded, conduct appraisals to check Trump’s claims?"
Has the prosecution paid for independent appraisals by multiple third parties to refute President Trump’s claims?
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:45 pm to RedStickFox
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You might have worked for a bank, you might have filled out and stamped some documents, but you simply don't know the law. Quit acting like you do.
Answer this, why civil instead of criminal suit? Looking forward to this answer. I know the answer but want your twisted take on it.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:48 pm to Vacherie Saint
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OK. now you have to prove that those values were intentionally fraudulent (good luck)
Fairly easy to do if they stated the value to be A LOT less when advantageous to do so and then A LOT more when advantageous, in a short period of time.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:51 pm to Warboo
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Answer this, why civil instead of criminal suit? Looking forward to this answer. I know the answer but want your twisted take on it.
Why does my opinion on this matter? I've never stated that the trial was criminal. It's a civil trial.
It's like every Trumper want's to change the subject away from the facts. It's a civil case. My opinion on my it's civil and not criminal doesn't change the fact that a court case was presided over and Trump Org was ruled against. They falsified all kinds of data and will pay a penalty and damages because of it.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:51 pm to Vacherie Saint
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OK. now you have to prove that those values were intentionally fraudulent (good luck) and used in the underwriting of a loan where Trump assumed the liability for the bank's risk of that value. Then you could take it to federal criminal court.
No, he doesn't. The prosecuting attorneys do.
Nobody is commenting on the merit of the actual case against Trump.
Everyone is simply debunking your now proven misinformation about lying on loan applications in general.
And btw, fraud is both a civil and criminal matter. I fully expect that if Trump loses this civil case, criminal charges will follow.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:52 pm to RedStickFox
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How about you quit acting like you know what you are talking about?
Because I know exactly what I'm talking about. I've done these loans and I've filled out these financial statements. People have no fricking clue what their properties are worth, especially when they own skylines of property like Trump does. You think grandma who inherited an apartment complex from her husband in 1967 knows what its worth off the top of her head? Do you think the average American can guess the value of his own home within +/-10% of the average of three independent bank appraisals? Not a fricking chance. That's why banks do appraisals, title searches, inspections, etc. shite, they buy title insurance on every mortgage because they cant even trust the clerk of court's office with clean title records.
You keep repeating this fantasy that money was lent on unverified collateral values that were intentionally inflated and people were defrauded. None of that happened and you still dont know wtf you are talking about.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:54 pm to RedStickFox
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Why does my opinion on this matter? I've never stated that the trial was criminal. It's a civil trial.
It's like every Trumper want's to change the subject away from the facts. It's a civil case. My opinion on my it's civil and not criminal doesn't change the fact that a court case was presided over and Trump Org was ruled against. They falsified all kinds of data and will pay a penalty and damages because of it.
It will be appealed and then nuked. You know this as I do. Its just lawfare by a corrupt AG. Simple as that.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:55 pm to RoosterCogburn585
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:57 pm to wackatimesthree
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Nobody is commenting on the merit of the actual case against Trump.
huh!? That's quite literally what we are doing
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:58 pm to Vacherie Saint
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You think grandma who inherited an apartment complex from her husband in 1967 knows what its worth off the top of her head?
Hahaha... Oh wow.
A grandma who inherited an apartment complex doesn't know what it's worth off the top of her head... therefor Trump is allowed to lie on financial documents for loans.
I love you. You are my new favorite comedian. Bill Burr move over. We have a new king of comedy.
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