re: So, if you are against this student loan forgiveness thing, will you still take it?

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Okay.

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You maximize the amount of "your" money you get back. Taking advantage of this assuming it becomes law is no different. You can not like it, and I will agree with you. But you can get fricked if you want to call everyone that takes this money bad or financial dummies or another negative term. That money is going out regardless of my feelings on it. Only a moron would not take it.

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"I hate the program, but $8K is $8K."

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How does that make him "unwilling" to pay? That was the word you chose.

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I stated what my values are. They are not for sale at any cost.

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So you did not cash any stimmy checks and don't take claim any deductions? Or are you just the latest full of shite, moral high ground moron?

Take what? I went to a trade school and became an electrician. Tuition, books, and tools cost me maybe $1500 in '99. In 2003, I paid ~$3500 and went to a private Fire/EMS Academy and became a FF/EMT. Now, 20 years later, I own an electrical contracting business with offices across Texas, with multiple sources of income from two separate careers simultaneously. My wife paid for her own degrees and is a high school teacher.

Our first baby is due any day now. Should we even bother saving up for her to get an education? Just tell her Aviator Joe has it taken care of? Can't do that because even with my blue-collar "dirty jobs" and a teacher's salary, we're over the income limit. This handout bullshite needs to stop. I have my own family to pay for. frick off and take care of your own damn self.

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There is no difference.

It is my money.

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I agree there is no difference, so what is your problem with someone taking this again?

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If that is your set of values, take it.

I refuse.

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You say you refuse, yet you take "your" money back too

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It is my money.

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Stuck on repeat, huh?

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The fact is consistent. It does not change.

It is my money. I am not "taking" anything that already belongs to me.

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So carrying your logic further, there can never be any changes to the tax code? Or would you not take advantage of any changes that put more money in your pocket?

And why will you not directly answer my questions? IS it because you know you're full of shite?

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I have already answered your question.

It is my money.

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So you do take handouts when it suits you, but you bitch and moan when you don't qualify.