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re: So Gaetz is blaming McCarthy for working with democrats...
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:27 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:27 am to Bjorn Cyborg
That is a true conservative/libertarian position on the subject. Not that fake arse “libertarian”, SFP, who’s simping for CRs and McCarthy. It’s pathetic and it’s that lack of spine and principles that got us in this financial situation
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:30 am to Indefatigable
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The dysfunction caused by lurching from fake crisis to fake crisis, all because the House doesn’t do anything until ten days before a deadline, is destroying the country.
The House was out for 6 weeks prior to the “shutdown crisis” and then came back to a 4 day work week. If it was a priority for leadership to get the appropriations done, they would have been working 5 days a week to get the job done.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:35 am to troyt37
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And so his "strategery" should be to continue to capitulate to McCarthy, who has done absolutely nothing he said he would do in order to get the job in the first place?
KM could get a CR with fewer concessions to DEMs.
Do you want more or fewer concessions to DEMs?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:36 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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You think Gaetz et al should just fall in line with McCarthy?
If it means giving the DEMs fewer concessions.
Why is giving the DEMs more of what they want so popular by "fiscal conservatives" on here?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:36 am to Bourre
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Bourre
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Do you prefer a CR with more concessions to DEMs or less concessions to DEMs?
I prefer fewer concessions to DEMs
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:37 am to Bwmdx
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How about don’t give any fricking concessions to Dems?
Well there is the Senate. Some concessions and negotiations are necessary.
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It’s because McCarthy is a fricking dem in republican clothing. Gaetz is showing the country that.
So Gaetz giving the DEMs more concessions shows that McCarthy is a Dem in Republican clothing?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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I prefer fewer concessions to DEMs
How many concessions would the republicans have to make if McCarthy did what he promised to do?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:38 am to Bourre
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That is a true conservative/libertarian position on the subject. Not that fake arse “libertarian”, SFP, who’s simping for CRs and McCarthy.
I live in reality. A CR is going to be passed.
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Do you prefer a CR with more concessions to DEMs or less concessions to DEMs?
I prefer one with fewer concessions to DEMs, which is the more libertarian reality.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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So Gaetz giving the DEMs more concessions shows that McCarthy is a Dem in Republican clothing?
Trump broke these idiots.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:41 am to troyt37
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How many concessions would the republicans have to make if McCarthy did what he promised to do?
The DEMs won't go along with those, so then it becomes who will hold out longer during the government lockdown.
Just because the GOP controls the house doesn't mean the GOP controls the Senate or Presidency.
Living in this fantasy that a slim majority in the House gives the GOP all this power is bordering on insanity. Most GOP house members represent districts who don't want shut downs and are fine with working with DEMs. Just because a very small splinter group are from districts who are fine without this doesn't make it the popular policy position.
That's why Gaetz, if he was sincere, was always doomed to fail.
That failure was one thing when it was a SOH. However, that failure is now giving the DEMs more power and it should be labeled as such.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:42 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Trump broke these idiots.
They truly believe all of these purple districts are just teaming with MAGA voters ready to oust the moderate GOP reps, and MAGA has the true majority nationally.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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I live in reality. A CR is going to be passed.
Like I said, no principles. Weak individuals will always beg for scraps from the table.
Why did McCarthy allow the House to go on vacation for 6 weeks prior to this latest government shutdown crisis? If it was important to him to go back to lawful appropriations, he could have said we stay in DC until all appropriation bills are passed and sent to the Senate. If the Senate passes their own appropriations bills, you go to conference to negotiate. That’s called legislating not begging for scraps in a CR like you want to do.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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Explain that to me.
It's hard to explain the irrational, that's kind of by definition.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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The DEMs won't go along with those, so then it becomes who will hold out longer during the government lockdown.
So the marxists control the house, whether they are in the majority or the minority.
The house doesn't have to spend one fricking dollar, and neither the senate, nor the president can make them do so.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:53 am to GumboPot
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Again, Gaetz just want's narrowly scoped appropriations to give him and his congressional colleagues the opportunity to vote on Ukraine spending and the bridge to no-where separately for example.
And this is the way it should be. They want to be able to hide and fill the belly with fat.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:54 am to Bourre
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Like I said, no principles. Weak individuals will always beg for scraps from the table.
So you think living in fantasy land is a better strategy to implement a change in policy eventually?
Explain that to me.
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If it was important to him to go back to lawful appropriations, he could have said we stay in DC until all appropriation bills are passed and sent to the Senate.
He's one man. I don't think the majority of everyone in Congress (both HOR and Senate) have any appetite for this.
Because he understands this and can read the room, you want him to do what? Engage in virtue signaling that won't go anywhere? Why? Other than making sky screamer feel better, what will that accomplish in reality?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:54 am to Turbeauxdog
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It's hard to explain the irrational, that's kind of by definition.
Exactly, just as nobody supporting Gaetz or less spending has shown how giving the DEMs more concessions and spending is rational.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:55 am to troyt37
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So the marxists control the house, whether they are in the majority or the minority.
They do when Republicans like Gaetz engage in bad strategy to hand them this power on a silver platter.
Congrats.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:56 am to Townedrunkard
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And this is the way it should be.
Cool. You need to convince about 75-100M Americans to join your side.
How is Gaetz doing this, or is he marginalizing this discussion by having it become "MAGA extremism" to those 75-100M people?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:03 am to Taketts
“Working with Democrats“ = capitulating to their insanity?
No thank you…
No thank you…
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