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re: So everyone understands the issues with "pre-existing conditions" correct?

Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:13 pm to
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:13 pm to
I have heard the same issues for a friend who works at BCBS
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:20 pm to
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But they have it down to a science and the ex swears she's starting to have real guilt issues with how the cancer industry works these days. They literally are built around the model to give a patient hope, extend lives until all resources are exhausted, and then they pull the plug so to speak ... tell you there is nothing else they can do

So, basically, if you have pancreatic cancer, you should be told "no treatment for you." How many patients are going to go for that?
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They literally are built around the model to give a patient hope, extend lives until all resources are exhausted,

Yeah, this is bullshite. I've known many people who have died from cancer and none have had their resources exhausted.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 9:21 pm
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:24 pm to
As has been noted, it's not insurance, it's welfare.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:01 pm to
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Uh, and the whole cancer conspiracy BS


First of all, all three of the guests on Fox Business's The Closing Bell segement, The Richest Minds, just agreed ... the chemo cancer industry in the United States is a rip-off designed to take every penny you've earned in your life, before you die.

Warren Buffett called the cancer industry raquet the "tapeworm of American health care."

Charlie Monger said, " we're giving too much chemotherapy to people that are all but dead. It's evil what our cancer industry is doing in a lot of cases. There comes a time when the game is over. It's wrong to keep trying to take their money when they know the game is over."

Bill Gates agreed.


Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:15 pm to
You're quoting bullshite as fact in your infographic.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:24 pm to
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You're quoting bullshite as fact in your infographic.


Not according to people in the industry.

Did you even bother googling it?
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:34 pm to
Yes. It's a common misstating of an Australian study which measured the contribution of chemotherapy to a cure. Not chemotherapy's success rate. The average cancer cure rate is around 60%. So, the 2% is obviously either very poorly worded or purposefully misworded for the purposes of propaganda.
Posted by Snipe
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:45 pm to
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Quick primer ... it's pretty basic but no one ever talks about it.

The problem with pre-existing conditions is that people have learned to job the system.

My wife has been in HR for years negotiating deals with the big boys for employee subsidized coverage. She's so good at it she was actually hired, this year, by one of the big boys ... the biggest of the big boys when it comes to health insurance.

So here's what she says is the problem with pre-existing conditions.

Every since ACA (Obamacare) was passed and put into motion people quickly learned that they can go without coverage for a problem, put it off, wait until the last minute and then buy insurance and demand coverage and care after paying the first premium on the policy.

So what happens is, and evidently this is especially happening in the 50-65 low income age group ... they know they have problems after decades of bad lifestyles - they wait until the last minute, buy the policy and expect to be covered and taken care of after basically making one or two premium payments.

Some examples?

The big costly ones are joint and hip replacements. There is literally a racket going on in that classification of ailment.

There are late to the game cancer claims - and the cancer care industry is a racket unto itself. They've got it down to a science - once you have coverage they will keep you alive just long enough to drain every penny from your ACA guaranteed policy and they'll take your house, every asset you have, and even any money your kids might throw at the cancer.

She says we would be amazed at how many people file first time claims for Type II diabetes ... within 60 days of starting coverage. The average new policy holder they've seen over the past few years have had diabetes for years, have it on their record/history, but ignored it until they started going blind or their kidneys are failing or their feet are being amputated ... so they've made two premium payments totalling $1,500.00 and that was subsidized. They've got a $10k deductable on a 70/30 plan and the insurer is being forced to pay-out $100s of $1000s in claims ... it is undoable. It cannot be done.

So there is a big big problem with the pre-existing condition stuff that is always going to be unfixable unless Uncle Sugar subsidizes the insurance companies for each and every citizen being allowed into the system.

It's an impossible task. There is no solution. It cannot be done.



Psssttt..

ObamaCare was never about healthcare.......

It was always about Wealth Redistribution...
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