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re: So, Again, No Collusion?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:03 am to boosiebadazz
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:03 am to boosiebadazz
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Trump ignoring courts or ordering subordinates to ignore courts and subvert the rule of law
You talk about ignoring and subverting...why is the Special Counsel and DOJ only interested in arresting Trump supporters for process crimes? Where's Clapper's arrest? Where's Comey's arrest? Andrew McCabe? Hell Zuckerberg lied to Congress but they didn't even bother to put him under oath. Wonder why?
A political outsider wins in 2016 and the political establishment of this country of both parties, with the help of an unaccountable prosecutor, the surveillance state and their mouthpieces in the media, are engineering a soft coup to oust said figure.
Anyone who believes we still live in a free country is full of shite. The reaction to Trump's election is proof that certain offices are for club members only.
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:04 am to BamaAtl
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If someone were elected President who a year into his term was found to not be eligible for the office, would you consider them legitimate and just an 'oops' we should move on from?
what is the eligibility issue of Trump?
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But rather, illegitimate in the sense that he committed crimes solely for the purpose of holding the office, and was aided by a complacent Republican Party who didn't care so long as they could accumulate more power. That's what the endgame of this needs to be - the destruction of the mindset that has let a political party ignore the law.
oh if this is the rule then nothing has been legitimate in federal politics since the 18th century
your argument is virtue signaling and symbolic with no real merit b/c it ignores the political reality of...reality
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:05 am to SlowFlowPro
I wasn't talking about invalidating actions. Moreso determining legitimacy by the impeachment process due to the subjectivity of "high crimes and misdemeanors"
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:05 am to BamaAtl
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Process crimes which involved lying about collusion / conspiracy between the campaign and Russia.
If they had proof of collusion/conspiracy, why haven’t they been charged with it? They only got charged with a process crime. That should tell you something. But you aren’t smart.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:07 am to BamaAtl
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He won with the direct help of a hostile foreign actor
Are you referring to the $4800 worth of Facebook ads the Russians bought?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:07 am to UltimateSuperGenius
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Trump will be impeached.
Maybe. I could see the Dems in the House impeaching him for literally no reason at all. He'll never be removed though.
You're going to be so very disappointed.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:08 am to BamaAtl
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He won with the direct help of a hostile foreign actor and through the commission of numerous felonies. Not legitimate.
You are a liar.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:08 am to boosiebadazz
but impeachment isn't about legitimacy. it's about "high crimes and misdemeanors" AND there is a process for that
so using the term "legitimacy" is either superfluous or pointless
so using the term "legitimacy" is either superfluous or pointless
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:09 am to BamaAtl
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Like threatening someone's family with prosecution if he testifies to Congress against Trump?
I've asked this question half a dozen times and still got no answer. Lanny Davis has alleged threats by Trump and Giuliani. Davis is a lawyer. Giuliani is a lawyer. If Davis actually believes what he's alleged, he has a legal obligation to file a complaint with the NY Bar and the Federal Bar describing, with specificity, the nature of said conduct. Failure to do so could result in Davis himself being disciplined. So why hasn't Davis filed a bar complaint? I'll wait and listen.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's about "high crimes and misdemeanors"
Look up what this term of art meant at the time of our founding.
it's subjective as shite. basically means whatever the House leadership can get through with enough votes
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:11 am to BamaAtl
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He won with the direct help of a hostile foreign actor and through the commission of numerous felonies. Not legitimate
Thank you for this. And here I was thinking your healthcare takes were as bad as you could get
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:13 am to Havoc
And like usual, the media will spend the entire weekend talking about Russians, even though it has nothing to do with the actual charges. Just like they have done with every other indictment.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:18 am to Revelator
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The info gathered by the Russians from Podesta was gained through a phishing scam. This is already public knowledge.
Why is this always spread as gospel??? Yes we know Podesta was phished but we don't know by whom. There has been zero evidence on who was behind the phishing. The attempt was so elementary a teenager could have pulled it off. Wikileaks has not revealed it's source for these stolen e-mails so to say they came from Russia is a stretch.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:19 am to BamaAtl
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Process crimes which involved lying
An everyday event at congress
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
Why are you wasting your time with that psycho?
This is a person who honestly believes that Trump is a Russian super spy who won the presidency at Putin’s behest in order to destroy our country from the inside out. He’s a lunatic.
This is a person who honestly believes that Trump is a Russian super spy who won the presidency at Putin’s behest in order to destroy our country from the inside out. He’s a lunatic.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 8:34 am
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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what is the eligibility issue of Trump?
He conspired with a hostile foreign power to defraud the voters of the United States during a federal election.
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oh if this is the rule then nothing has been legitimate in federal politics since the 18th century
No, everyone else has not been doing what Trump and Republicans did in 2016.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 9:57 am to BamaAtl
quote:Muh Russians = Birthers with a special council.
He won with the direct help of a hostile foreign actor and through the commission of numerous felonies. Not legitimate.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 10:15 am to BamaAtl
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But rather, illegitimate in the sense that he committed crimes solely for the purpose of holding the office, and was aided by a complacent Republican Party who didn't care so long as they could accumulate more power. That's what the endgame of this needs to be - the destruction of the mindset that has let a political party ignore the law.
Gee, this sounds an awful lot like what the DNC did to ensure that Hillary got the Dem nomination...
Are you projecting again?
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