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re: Sky Screamers Rejoice! Senate votes to repeal the repeal of Net Neutrality
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:00 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:00 pm to CptBengal
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Unless that gate keeper is almighty government
I don't think the government should be able to control access to content either. No one should.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 4:01 pm
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:01 pm to Breesus
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I don't think the government should be able to control access to content either. No one should.
And that’s not what this is about. It’s about treating data equally, not censoring it.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:02 pm to Breesus
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I won't tell you what that problem is. It is obvious. You act like you're smart... Prove you're not fricking stupid.
That's convenient.
You're 100% wrong. I refuse to prove it or offer any evidence as to why just know that I'm right and you're wrong and I'll never explain it.
I am laying it out for you like a fricking red carpet with rainbows and sprinkles. Just because you're too intellectually lazy to answer the question doesn't make me even 1% wrong.
At this point you just don't want to answer the question because it blows your argument the frick up.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:02 pm to SoulGlo
quote:
by SoulGlo
WHY IS THAT THE CASE?
Its not about the cost of running cables
Oh trust me I know lol. I already know what the real issue is that you don't understand. There is a very real and very deadly necessity for NN but I won't tell you because you can't grasp it. But I know it. Believe that. And it's real. But I'll never tell you what it is.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:03 pm to Breesus
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The loss of net neutrality could:
Allow pharmaceutical companies to impede competitive research
Allow companies to silence bad reviews and negative comments about their products
Impede police investigations
Impede someone's ability to call for help or research how to save a life
Etc....
quote:
Allow pharmaceutical companies to impede competitive research
quote:Oh, this would totally remain a secret!!!
Allow companies to silence bad reviews and negative comments about their products
quote:
Impede police investigations
quote::rotflmao:
mpede someone's ability to call for help or research how to save a life
Etc...
Dude. You're just engaging in "lets think of basically anything that you have zero reason for even believing would happen and bring it up".
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:03 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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It’s about treating data equally, not censoring it.
If you can treat data unequally, then you can censor it.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:04 pm to Breesus
quote:Literally nothing in this thread indicates we should trust that you "know" anything related to this subject.
Oh trust me I know lol.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:06 pm to SoulGlo
quote:
by SoulGlo
am laying it out for you like a fricking red carpet with rainbows and sprinkles. Just because you're too intellectually lazy to answer the question doesn't make me even 1% wrong.
At this point you just don't want to answer the question because it blows your argument the frick up.
Oh totally dude lol. And you know it too right?
What's that one thing that necessitates government involvement in Net Neutrality? Think about it dude.
That one reason why we need it and why I have it but my neighbor doesn't need it.
Can I be any more clear you moron? You pretend to not be a moron, so go ahead an put your finger down on this very clear example of the necessity that I'll never really explain to you because you're too stupid to understand it anyway
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:08 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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I don't think the government should be able to control access to content either. No one should.
And that’s not what this is about. It’s about treating data equally, not censoring it.
Except without NN, ISP's have the power to throttle sites so they won't load at will, which is de-facto censorship.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:08 pm to ShortyRob
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Oh, this would totally remain a secret!!!
It doesn't have to remain a secret.
If there is only one ISP provider and no government regulation in a free market there's nothing you can do about it. Pfizer could just advertise as " the only pharmacy with access to research". And you have already made it clear that this is a possibility that you're OK with in the short term because eventually the free market would end this and yield a net positive to society.
Or do you want to Crawfish out of that assertion as well?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:09 pm to kingbob
Well yes, true.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:10 pm to ShortyRob
I find it deeply ironic that a dude with 50k+ posts on an Internet forum is passionately arguing the unimportance of it. All in the name of attempting to be ideologically pure.
You sound just as naive as the full on commies who think “it just hasn’t been done RIGHT yet!!!!”
You sound just as naive as the full on commies who think “it just hasn’t been done RIGHT yet!!!!”
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:11 pm to Breesus
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If there is only one ISP provider and no government regulation in a free market there's nothing you can do about it. Pfizer could just advertise as " the only pharmacy with access to research".
Wow.
Whe give into fantasy land.
I'll ask you again... why do the tech giants ALL support NN?
Think real hard.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:13 pm to weedGOKU666
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weedGOKU666
Well the HS dropout has arrived...
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:14 pm to CptBengal
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why do the tech giants ALL support NN?
It's somewhat akin to mutually assured destruction. Without the principles of net neutrality competion in the internet basically ceases to exist. Many of those tech giants would rather continue to use the internet as a foundation upon which you can build than get into a battle for who controls that foundation.
There is also the just smart business matter that as long as ISPs cannot descriminate based on content they can't charge this tech giants insane prices to access the market and their customers.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:15 pm to CptBengal
Jokes on you for thinking I even made it to high school BiTcH
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:19 pm to CptBengal
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I'll ask you again... why do the tech giants ALL support NN?
Right now, search engines and social media are serving as gate-keepers to knowledge, but it's a very leaky gate. They can steer people where they want them to go, but they have limited power to actually eliminate competing services and voices. The internet is vast, and they only can control their immediate neighborhood.
Ending NN gives the ISP's the keys to the whole damn thing. They get to do more than just steer, they can outright eliminate access to cites at will.
The tech companies that are not ISP's love NN because it prevents ISP's from icing them out, replicating their services, and then pushing the alternative.
The ISP's love repealing NN because it gives them massive power to essentially make all service providers to "kiss the ring" in order to engage in commerce over the web.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:20 pm to kingbob
quote:If people were really worried about censorship, they'd be focused on the actual purveyors of information that are currently censoring data, like google, facebook, and twitter. And the government isn't exactly an entity I would trust with transparency, especially when those in charge are unelected bureaucrats. At least ISPs have financial incentives to do right by Joe Q. Public, and especially so if there were more competition.
Except without NN, ISP's have the power to throttle sites so they won't load at will, which is de-facto censorship.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:24 pm to Breesus
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And you have already made it clear that this is a possibility that you're OK with in the short term because eventually the free market would end this and yield a net positive to society.
Given that I have repeatedly said that free markets aren't smooth and that's half the problem you liberals have is that you can't cope with that fact why would you assume that your ability to bring up one or two negative things would require me to crawfish?
Are you intellectually capable of keeping up with a line of argument?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 4:25 pm to FooManChoo
It's actually a huge deal. Facebook is seeing massive declines in users, as is twitter. Duck Duck Go is growing rapidly in popularity. Many content providers are leaving youtube for competing startups. There are lots of alternative social media and search engine sites starting to pop up as a response to the censorship and data collection.
It's the exact same problem, only the solution is far easier. With NN, those big giants that are starting to bleed simply pay the ISP to throttle their competitors in the womb. With no competitors in the market, those customers will be forced to either use those platforms, or not use anything at all.
Monopolies and ending NN is basically ending competition on the internet almost all together.
The big difference is that I have a choice in what search engine I use. 90% of Americans have no more than 2 choices for which ISP they use.
It's the exact same problem, only the solution is far easier. With NN, those big giants that are starting to bleed simply pay the ISP to throttle their competitors in the womb. With no competitors in the market, those customers will be forced to either use those platforms, or not use anything at all.
Monopolies and ending NN is basically ending competition on the internet almost all together.
The big difference is that I have a choice in what search engine I use. 90% of Americans have no more than 2 choices for which ISP they use.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 4:26 pm
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