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re: Sky Screamers Rejoice! Senate votes to repeal the repeal of Net Neutrality
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:58 am to CptBengal
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:58 am to CptBengal
quote:
1: theres a government monopoly in a market
2: we need to regulate the monopoly to protect the market!
3....why not just remove the monopoly.
Why not regulate the monopoly while we foster the competition to destroy it to make sure that the market isn't f&%ked in the meantime?
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:58 am to Taxing Authority
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NN guarantees the ishtty companies you have now... you will be stuck with forever.
That's why I laughed when FT said
"If you like internet the way it is, you support NN".
I was like............YEP
Exactly.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:58 am to Taxing Authority
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Why not regulate grocery stores?
We do, actually, far more so than we do ISP's.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:59 am to ShortyRob
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Tell me zucchini doesn't compete with chicken.
They can't grasp that they actually have alternatives.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:59 am to ShortyRob
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Explain to me why this is even important.
I need to explain to you why the free and open exchange of ideas without governmental or corporate censorship is important?
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:59 am to kingbob
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Why not regulate the monopoly
why not just eliminate the monopoly.
thats a lot easier with less unintended consequences.
quote:
make sure that the market isn't f&%ked in the meantime?
you argue this market has INSANE valuation. Anything with that much money changing hands doesnt fall apart because there isnt a monpoly on top.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:59 am to kingbob
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Why not regulate the monopoly
How about breaking monopolies instead?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:00 pm to Breesus
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free and open exchange of ideas without governmental or corporate censorship is important?
so you dont think facebook or tweitter should censor?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:00 pm to kingbob
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We do, actually, far more so than we do ISP's.
NOpe. We do not fix prices for groceries. Nor do we prevent grocers from charging vendors for deliver of produce. Nor do we say customers can take as many groceries as they want for a fixed price. Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:00 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:That's the half of it.
They can't grasp that they actually have alternatives.
They also can't grasp even the concept that today =/= forever.
They can't conceptualize anything they can't already see.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:00 pm to Taxing Authority
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They can't grasp that they actually have alternatives.
And you can't grasp that the "alternatives" are actually owned by the same companies as the services they are allegedly competing with even though those services don't really perform the same functions or fulfill the same niches. It's akin to saying bicycles compete with cars, but the parent companies of all of the bicycle companies are Ford, GM, and Chrysler.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:01 pm to Breesus
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I need to explain to you why the free and open exchange of ideas without governmental or corporate censorship is important?
I think that free and open exchange of ideas is very important although I've no fricking idea why you think that's a response to the question.
Are you Cathy Newman?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:01 pm to Taxing Authority
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NOpe. We do not fix prices for groceries. Nor do we prevent grocers from charging vendors for deliver of produce. Nor do we say customers can take as many groceries as they want for a fixed price
We actually do have price controls for products like produce. See the Agricultural Adjustment Act.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:01 pm to kingbob
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Why not regulate the monopoly while we foster the competition
Who want's to enter the ISP market - as it is? Basically no one. You think regulating it will attract capital investment? Are you drunk?Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:02 pm to ShortyRob
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They can't conceptualize anything they can't already see.
hence why hedging investment instruments is lucrative. 90% of the population doesnt get there's always another step coming.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:03 pm to Taxing Authority
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Who want's to enter the ISP market - as it is? Basically no one. You think regulating it will attract capital investment? Are you drunk?
People want alternatives. ISP's tend to have really really bad customer service. By preventing them from discriminating by content AND eliminating their monopolization of the infrastructure, you open the door to new ISP's that can either built improved infrastructure, offer a better price, or offer a better service without the consumer losing the ability to use that open internet market in the meantime. It's fixing both problems at the same time.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:03 pm to kingbob
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And you can't grasp that the "alternatives" are actually owned by the same companies as the services they are allegedly competing with even though those services don't really perform the same functions or fulfill the same niches. It's akin to saying bicycles compete with cars, but the parent companies of all of the bicycle companies are Ford, GM, and Chrysler.
Youre advocating patching the existing model. That does nothing to increase competition at all.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:03 pm to Taxing Authority
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Who want's to enter the ISP market - as it is? Basically no one.
Google, yes fricking Google, thought about it, tried it...and backed out
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:04 pm to CptBengal
quote:I think it's funny because my kids are 10 and 8 and I can state with virtual certainty that when they are 40, they won't even be able to comprehend this thread.
hence why hedging investment instruments is lucrative. 90% of the population doesnt get there's always another step coming.
They'll read it and wonder, "what the frick are these people talking about"?
It will look like a debate over protecting us from 8 track players.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 12:04 pm to CptBengal
quote:This could easily be done at the federal level, since most of the monopolies are established by local municipalities.
why not just eliminate the monopoly.
That would make total sense if NN was really about "eliminating monoplies" or making things "fair".
It's not.
It's a power grab for government and the corporations that can manipulate the government to do their bidding.
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